James R. White's request (three supposed errors in the KJV)

James R. White (author of The King James Only Controversy) wrote: "I would very much like to challenge Dr. Kirk D. DiVietro, or Dr. D.A. Waite, or Dr. Strouse, or any other member of the Dean Burgon Society, or any other published KJV Only Advocate, to a public debate on the issues regarding Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, John 1:18, and the entire topic of the deity of Christ in the modern translations and the KJV. The claim that the NASB, the NIV, and the NKJV, somehow "deny" the deity of Christ is simply absurd; and those who continue to make the claim do so at the expense of truth itself. I stand ready to demonstrate this in a public forum in formal, moderated, and scholarly debate. One-on-one, or one-on-as many as they would like, on television or radio. Allow the Christian people to hear both sides at the same time. "

First, notice the phrases "PUBLISHED KJV Only Adovcate", "PUBLIC debate", "PUBLIC forum", "on TELEVISION or RADIO'.......White was wanting to show off his "scholarship", not to identify which book is the Holy Bible. 

Second, why doesn't Mr. White answer these 45 questions "in public" or "on television or radio"??? http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/questions-for-anti-kjv.html 

Now let's look at White's passages of scripture.

1.) Titus 2:13

KJB Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

NKJV Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

NASB Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

NIV Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

White actually claims that the King James Bible pulled a fast one on the Deity of Christ in this verse. He claims that when the KJB says "the great God" it is not referring to "our Saviour Jesus Christ". So you be the judge, is this an attack on the Deity of Christ or is the KJB just referring to Christ as "the great God and our Saviour"? I don't see how this could be labeled as an attack on the Deity of Christ nor can I see how the other translations are any better. 

As Dr. Thomas Holland puts it, "Consider the following sentence, "He was a great hero and our first president, General George Washington." This statement is not referring to two persons but two aspects of the same person. Washington was a great hero by anyone's standards, but he was not everyone's president. He was our president." (Dr. Thomas Holland's Crowned With Glory)

2.) 2 Peter 1:1

KJB 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

NKJV 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

NASB 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

NIV 2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Mr. White claims that the KJB has pulled another attack on the Deity of Christ. MY CLAIM, is that the modern version have pulled out a reference to God the Father. Here is an excerpt from a different post I did.

"Critics say that the KJB makes this sound like "God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" are different and not the same. The critics pretend that this is an awful attack on the deity of Christ. They say that the title "God" should never be separated from "Christ" since they are the same. I disagree, if that is an attack on the deity of Christ than get a load of this.......

Ephesians 1:

[1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
[2] Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
[3] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
[17] That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Ephesians 4:

[4] There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
[5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
[6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Corinthians 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ 

2 Corinthians 1:2​ Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

 2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

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Galatians 1:

​[1] Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
[3] Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Philippians 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:

[2] To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
[3] We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Colossians 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1 Thessalonians 1:

[1] Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
[3] Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:

[1] Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
[2] Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

[12] That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 1:

[1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
[2] Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

2 Timothy 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

And the list goes on and on.  That is 26 verses where there is a distinction between the title "God" and the title of "Lord Jesus Christ" (or variant). Did you see 1 Timothy 5:21? By the logic of the critics of the KJB, THAT SHOULD BE a big "no no". But the truth is that ESV, NASB, NIV, LB, GNV, RSV, ASV, Amplified, etc. ALL make distinctions between the title "God" and the name of Christ. Some of these references even put a distinction between the name "God" and the "Father". The KJB critics lied when they said it shouldn't be done. 2 Peter 2:2 is just another verse where the Father is referenced as "God" and Jesus is referenced to as "Lord". That is done dozens of times in the New Testament in any edition of any translation in any language. Why did the KJB critics pick 2 Peter 2:2 out of the dozens of verses just like it? Your guess is as good as mine.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

It is done AGAIN in the very next verse.......

2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,   

The ESV, NIV, NASB, etc. say the same thing in verse 2. The accusation that the critics make against the KJB in 2 Peter 1:1 are based on the hope that you don't know your Bible too well. Or else you will know that this "attack" on the deity of Christ is actually just a reference to the Father and a reference to the Son as is drastically common. Not to mention that "the righteousness of God and our Saviour" does not mean that they are not the same."

Why didn't White site any of the following verses? Are these "attacks" on the Deity of Christ as well? White didn't site them.

2 Peter 1:2  (THE VERY NEXT VERSE)

NIV 2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

NASB 2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord

NKJV 2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord,

1 Timothy 5:21 

NKJV 1 Timothy 5:21 I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality. 

NIV 1 Timothy 5:21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.

NASB 1 Timothy 5:21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.   

Why didn't James White offer to debate these verses? Isn't this a double standard? How come the modern versions can read "of God and Christ Jesus" but the King James Bible can't read "of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ"??? 

3.) John 1:18

KJB John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 

NKJV John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.  

NIV John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

NASB John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.  

NWT John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom with the Father is the one who explained him.

Here James White says that the KJB, NKJV, and NIV are wrong when they say "begotten Son" and that the New World Translation (Jehovah's Witness version) is right. James White says that he believes that Christ was a begotten God.....need I say more? James White is obviously in a cult. Therefore why do we take him seriously when he is telling us which Bible is accurate? We shouldn't. There is only ONE GOD and He is made up in three persons. God is not "begotten". 

Secondly, the NASB is teaching TWO Gods. One God is begotten ("the only begotten God") and the other is not ("the Father, He has explained Him"). 

Now that White is through revealing his cult doctrine....let's discuss some REAL attacks on the Deity of Christ in the modern versions.


New King James Version Corruption.
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/new-king-james-version-corruption.html 

The corrupt NIV  (ditto pretty much the same errors in NASB and ESV)
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-corrupt-niv.html

--Eli "Hoss" Caldwell