Flaws of Acts 28 Dispensationalism
SCRIPTURE PROVING THE MYSTERY WAS REVEALED BEFORE ACTS 28
1.) The church the Body of Christ began during the Acts period. Paul’s Acts epistles refer to the believers as being part of the spiritual Body of Christ. It is not a mere analogy using a human body to describe the local church.
- The body of Christ is mentioned several times during the epistles of Paul written in Acts (Rom. 7:4, 12:4-5; 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:12).
- The believers were made part of the Body of Christ by a spiritual baptism performed by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:15-17, 12:13, 12:18; Rom. 6:3-4, Gal. 3:26-28).
- Paul refers to this grace given to him in Romans 15:15-16, “Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God, That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.” Compare this with Ephesians 3:1-9 “For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:”
- During Acts Paul refers not only to the dispensing of grace given to him to the Gentiles, but also to the mystery specifically. (Rom. 11:25, 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:7, 4:1).
3.) Paul taught that the age they were living in during the book of Acts was a mystery. Not only was the beginning of the age a mystery, he taught that the ending of it was a mystery as well, it had not been revealed before. It was given to him by the word of the Lord.
- The beginning of the age was a mystery, the temporary setting aside of Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (Rom. 11:25-27). This mystery does not appear in the prophets and has no connection with the kingdom of God coming to the earth.
- The age would end with a mystery rapture revealed to Paul by the word of the Lord (1 Cor. 15:51-58, 1 Thes. 4:13-18). This rapture is distinct from the Second Coming when Christ gathers believers of the gospel of the kingdom. This rapture is before Daniel’s 70th week (1 Thes, 1:10, 5:9; 2 Thes. 2:1-2). This rapture was taught by Paul as being imminent (Rom. 13:11-12, 16:20; 1 Cor. 7:29). The only requirement to take part in this rapture was to be a believer (1 Thes. 4:13), you did not have to endure to the end or do the works of the gospel of the kingdom. Paul taught that even if you are found “sleeping” at this rapture, you will still be saved (1 Thes. 5:10). Contrast that with the Second Coming where you must “watch” and not be found “sleeping” (Matt. 24:42-51; Mark 13:35-37).
- Acts 28 Dispensationalists respond to this by saying that Paul water baptized (Acts 16, 18), he circumcised Timothy (Acts 16), and took a Jewish vow (Acts 18:18). Rodney Beaulieu mentioned Acts 15:28-29 “For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.” He used this to say that it was necessary for the Gentiles to keep the law, at least in part, to be right with God during Acts. I do not think it is a misrepresentation to say that this is typical of pretty much all Acts 28 Dispensationalists and that it is in fact one of their points. But it is a very argument. The word of God does not leave it up to the imagination to explain why Paul participated in some Jewish practices. Was it for salvation? Was it for sanctification before God? Was it doing God a service? Paul says why. “For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.” (1 Cor. 9:19-23). In the previous chapter, Paul says in regards to the things offered to idols, “But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.” (1 Cor. 8:8-9). And also Romans chapter 14 explains that the believers were not under dietary laws before God not any holy days (see the entire chapter). Observance of those things is said to be in order not to offend the weak brethren, in that case the Jews. God wanted Jews to get saved, He used Paul’s Acts ministry “to provoke them to jealousy” and Paul said he was trying to “provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them” (Rom. 11:11, 14). Acts 28 Dispensationalists seem to ignore for the most part these reasons Paul have for participating in some Jewish practices.
Acts 28 Dispensationalism is the belief system that the revelation of the Mystery of Christ, the Dispensation of Grace as defined in Ephesians 3:1-9, did not begin until Acts 28:28. The people who hold to this belief assert that all Scripture written before Acts 28 was part of Israel's prophetic Kingdom Gospel and Law Dispensation.
Dr. Ethelbert Bullinger is given credit for this teaching, though he was only an Acts 28 Dispensationalist for the last few years of his life. Bullinger wrote his book Ten Sermons On The Second Advent in 1887 and is clearly only a Acts 2 Dispensationalist similar to the Scofield/Larkin system. Bullinger went on to write other books, such as The Church Epistles, How To Enjoy The Bible, The Witness of the Stars, Great Cloud Of Witnesses, The Revelation, and a number of others. However, only a few of them are written from the Acts 28 perspective. Judging from his writings, it appears that Dr. Bullinger went from the Acts 2 Dispensational position, to a Mid-Acts position, and then a man named Charles Welch influenced him into taking an Acts 28 position. The evidence suggests that Charles Welch developed the Acts 28 heresy, but since Bullinger was more well known he got the credit for it. Pastor Bryan Ross of Grace Life Bible Church has done some excellent research on Dr. Bullinger: http://www.gracelifebiblechurch.com/Pastors_Pen.htm
The modern Acts 28 Movement, differing greatly from Dr. Bullinger's position, is without a doubt a cult.
The modern Acts 28 Movement
denies the Trinity
denies hell
denies the Pre "Tribulation" Rapture (better: Pre-Daniel's 70th Week)
teaches universal salvation
promotes polygamy
promotes the drinking of fermented alcohol
denies the inspiration and preservation of the King James Bible.
Some of the Acts 28 Movement embraces Calvinist theology, others even teach that works are required for salvation under Grace.
Examples of cult heresies in the modern Acts 28 Movement are found at the following:
Brian Kelson of Acts 28.net runs another website called biblepolygamy.com. He advocates polygamy and told me in an email that Paul instructs bishops/deacons "to have at least one wife".
Look up Clyde Pilkington and go to his website http://pilkingtonandsons.com/
Here are some of the books that Clyde Pilkington is selling. Filled with attacks on the King James Bible, antinomianism, and promotion of cult beliefs.
- "A Look at Alcohol in the Scriptures (#1150) by Clyde L. Pilkington, Jr. Don’t be fooled by the teetotalism. Contrary to what many attempt to teach, the Scriptures are replete with the divine gift and godly blessings of alcohol."
- " No Equals! Reasons Why Our Heavenly Father has No Equals or Co- Equals & Why “the Holy Spirit” Is Not a “Person” Separate from the Only True God, the Father (#3470) A compilation of two easy to understand titles exposing the error of the Trinity teaching. "
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"Due Benevolence: A Study of Biblical Sexuality (#3775) by Clyde L. Pilkington, Jr. Think you have read all that there is on the subject of sexuality from the Bible? Think again! Religious moralist have taken the wonderful gift of human beauty and sexuality and made them something dirty and sinful. Much is at stake regarding truth, as well as the nature and character of God Himself. A groundbreaking work providing…• A refreshingly honest and uninhibited look at sexuality.
• A breath of fresh air from the religious and Victorian mentality.
• A daring and valuable glimpse at the wonderful light just outside sexuality’s prison-cell door. " - "Great Omission, The: Christendom’s Abandonment of the Biblical Family (#2010) by Clyde L. Pilkington, Jr. This book presents twenty years of study, taking a candid look at the issue of multiple wives in Scripture and society. The book chapters are: The Problem; The Divine Provision; The Marital Gift; The Old Testament Scriptural Precedent; The New Testament Scriptural Precedent; The Religious System’s Destruction of the Biblical Family; The History of Its Practice; The Cultural Issue."
- "King James Version, The: 400 Years of Bondage – 1611-2011 (#4682) by Clyde L. Pilkington, Jr. 1611 was not a high spiritual mark in the history of the church, the Body of Christ. Instead of being a grand year of the pinnacle of preservation or perfection of God’s Word, it was rather the sad depths of the subtle corrupting of God’s Word by the historic union of governmental and ecclesiastical politics."
- "Nothing Will Be Lost! The Truth About God’s Good News by Clyde L. Pilkington, Jr. This is an abridgement of the larger work The Salvation of All."
- "Plowboy’s Bible, The : God’s Word for Common Man (#4425) by Clyde L. Pilkington, Jr. Shocking conclusions from the man that brought you The King James Bible Song. This book represents years of study and a significant change in understanding. Raised on and trained in a “King James Only” position, most of the author’s teaching ministry was centered on the defense of the KJV. He had early associations with major proponents of this position and their followers. He actively taught classes and seminars on the subject of Bible versions. For many years he distributed thousands of books from a collection of over 100 different titles in support of the KJV position. Here he shares what he has come to see that has caused him to completely abandon his former position."
- "Salvation Of ALL, The: Creation’s Final Destination (A Biblical Look at Universal Reconciliation) Expanded Edition (#7001) by Clyde L. Pilkington, Jr. The Gospel of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ is truly better “Good News” than we could ever have imagined. It is far more glorious than religion would ever have us believe. The Salvation of All is a book about a “Good News” that will reach its final goal in the salvation of all mankind."
- "How to Be Free From Sin While Smoking a Cigarette: The book for people with weaknesses (#3810) by Martin Zender. This book is written for those who know what they’re supposed to do but sometimes don’t do it. It’s written for those who think that their own particular weakness keeps God from completely liking them. It’s written for those who just can’t shake a bad habit. This book is written for the wretched souls who totter between their passion life and their desire for God, not realizing that in order to have a desire for God they must also be dogged by at least one detestable/wonderful passion that keeps them humble and needing Him."
- "How to Quit Church Without Quitting God: Why Going to Church Today is Unbiblical, Un-Christlike, and Spiritually Risky (#4835) Martin Zender. With childlilke boldness and profound logic, Martin Zender exposes the spiritual bankruptcy of the religious institution. Zender's mastery of satire separates him from the pious; his Scriptural expertise launches him as the primary spokesman for those who desire God, but don't trust the establishments that boast His name. "
- "Martin Zender Goes To Hell (#6494) by Martin Zender. The author embarks on a point-by-point refutation of the doctrine of eternal torment. In simple words he tackles all the critical topics: Jesus’ threats to the Israelites, the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, the lake of fire, the Greek words translated "hell," the Greek word commonly translated "eternal.""
As said before, Acts 28 Dispensationalism is the belief system that the revelation of the Mystery of Christ, the Dispensation of Grace as defined in Ephesians 3:1-9, did not begin until Acts 28:28. The people who hold to this belief assert that all Scripture written before Acts 28 was part of Israel's prophetic Kingdom Gospel and Law Dispensation.
The Acts 28 Dispensationalists divide the Pauline epistles into two groups: those written in Acts and those written after Acts. They teach that only the post-Acts "Prison Epistles" are written to and about the Church which is the Body of Christ.
According to the Acts 28ers, the following Pauline Epistles are not written to or about the Body of Christ....
Romans
Galatians
1/2 Corinthians
1/2 Thessalonians
They only accept the following Epistles as written about them...
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
1/2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Brian Kelson of Acts 28.net has made the following statements on the website "Formerly Mid-Acts, Now Acts 28". http://www.midactsdisp.blogspot.com/
"Paul’s hope during Acts was exactly the same hope proclaimed by Peter in Acts 3; the return of Messiah to rule the world in righteousness, just as the prophets and Moses said he would do."
"The ministry of the Lord and John the Baptist was to the nation and it was an appeal for them to repent and turn back to God, this continued through the Acts period of course and the Lord's ministry was completely OT based. I can't remember the number of times the Lord quoted the OT, including the Law but as we know, it was the Law of Moses and the Prophets up until Acts 28."
Clearly are the Acts 28ers not only crazy in their morals, they are also absolutely confused on Bible doctrine. Notice Brian Kelson's first statement, "Paul’s hope during Acts was exactly the same hope proclaimed by Peter in Acts 3". That is the complete opposite of what the Bible says!
Acts 3:
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
[20] And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
[21] Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
[22] For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
[24] Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
[25] Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Peter's message in Acts 3 was for Israel to repent of killing Christ. If they repented, their sins would be blotted out at the Second Advent. Then Christ would come and restore all things just as all the prophets said would happen. Peter says that Israel is still "the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers".
It is at the Second Coming of Christ that Kingdom Gospel believers will have their sins taken away (Heb. 3:14, 8:8-12, Acts 3:19-21, Rom. 11:25-27, and 1 Pet. 1:5-9). This is according to Old Testament prophecy such as Zech. 3:9, 8:8, Isa. 1:27, 4:4, 25:9, 27:9, 54:13-14, 59:20, 60:21, Jer. 30:17, 31:31-34, 32:37-42, 33:8, Ezek. 36:24-33, Hos. 2::19-23, Deut. 30:6, Ps. 62:1, 79:9, 85:2, 130:8, and Joel 3:20-21. The Second Coming is when Christ told the 12 apostles that they would inherit everlasting life (Matt. 19:28-19) and that is what Peter taught (Acts 3:19-21, 1 Pet. 1:5-9).
Is this what Paul taught in the Acts Epistles as the Acts 28 Dispensationalists assert? Absolutely and obviously not. Paul stated in Romans that he was living in a "mystery" period of time in which Israel was blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in and that when this period of time ended, God would resume dealing with Israel and Israel would be saved at the Second Advent...Israel's remission of sins at the Second Advent is exactly what Peter preached in Acts 3 and 1 Peter 1.
Romans 11:
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
You cannot help but notice that Paul and the Gentiles are DISTINGUISHED FROM Israel and the Jewish salvation at the Second Advent. The Lord inspired the apostle Paul to dismiss Peter's message of Acts 3. Peter's message was postponed, interupted, and a new program was started according to Romans 11:25-27. Yet the Acts 28 Dispensationalists like Brian Kelson and Wayne Stewart, without studying the matter, ignorantly go around chanting "Paul’s hope during Acts was exactly the same hope proclaimed by Peter in Acts 3".
The Acts Epistles of Paul are clearly written to and about the Gentiles under Grace after the fall of Israel when the Mystery of Christ is being made known. Paul's Acts Epistles do not match the doctrine of the Gospel of the Kingdom as found in Matthew/Mark/Luke and Hebrews through Revelation. See Romans 6:14, 11:1-13, 11:25, 15:15-16, and 16:25 about that.
To answer the "Mid-Acts" or "Acts 28" question, we need to first ask what the issue is about. The issue is found in Ephesians 3:1-9...
[1] For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
[2] If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward:
[3] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[4] Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
[7] Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
[8] Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
[9] And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
The issue is NOT did Paul learn more about the Mystery progressively through Acts. Obviously he did, he says he did (Acts 26:16, 2 Cor. 12:1, 12:7). The issue is did the Lord give to Paul the Mystery of Christ within the first few months or years of his ministry or did He not reveal it to him until Acts 28:28?
As we can see above in Ephesians 3, the Mystery of Christ is defined as "That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel". So let's ask ourselves three honest questions.
Were the Gentiles fellowheirs before Acts 28?
Were the Gentiles of the same body before Acts 28?
Were the Gentiles partakers of the Holy Spirit's promise in Christ by the gospel before Acts 28?
The Acts 28 Dispensationalists would give a loud "NO" to the three questions above, an Acts 2 or a Mid-Acts Dispensationalist would rightfully answer "YES" to the questions. Here are the Scripture that support the Acts 2 and Mid-Acts position that the Mystery of Christ was revealed before Acts 28:28.
GENTILES ARE FELLOWHEIRS BEFORE ACTS 28:28
- Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
- Galatians 3:26-29 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
- Galatians 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
GENTILES OF THE SAME BODY, CHRIST IS THE HEAD, BEFORE ACTS 28:28
The Acts Epistles are filled with the doctrines of the Church being all saved people who are assembled in Christ, being called the Body of Christ. In the below list of verses you will see that the Acts Epistles teach very plainly the doctrine of the Body of Christ and that believers get into this body by faith in Christ and being baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ (baptism into Christ, not baptism with water).
- Romans 12:4-5 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
- 1 Corinthians 6:15-17 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
- 1 Corinthians 10:16-17, 10:32 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread...Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
- 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
- 1 Corinthians 12:12-18, 12:27 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him...Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
- Galatians 3:26-28 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 3:5-6 says about the Mystery "Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" I take "his promise" of verse 6 to be the Holy Ghost of verse 5. This is consistent with the other parts of Ephesians where we see "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" (1:13). It is also the logical conclusion since the "promise" is said to be something we partake of by the gospel, the Holy Spirit is what we partake of by the gospel (Eph. 1:13, Gal. 3:1-3, 3:14, 3:22). 2 Corinthians defines the promises that the Gentile Church at Corinth had received were being stablished in Christ (done by the Spirit), being anointed (done by the Spirit), and being sealed with the Holy Spirit.
- 2 Corinthians 1:19-22 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea. For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
- Galatians 3:1-22 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
So we see that the Acts 28 Movement is in great error for teaching that the Mystery of Christ was not revealed until Acts 28:28. I have seen no evidence from the modern Acts 28 camp that they know how to teach (or even read) the Scriptures in context. Their arguments are very circular and illogical. Most of their teachings are plain foolishness, such as Brian Kelson's statement above on Paul supposedly preaching the same message as Peter's Acts 3 offer of the Kingdom to Israel. Brian Kelson's other statement is even crazier.
"The ministry of the Lord and John the Baptist was to the nation and it was an appeal for them to repent and turn back to God, this continued through the Acts period of course and the Lord's ministry was completely OT based. I can't remember the number of times the Lord quoted the OT, including the Law but as we know, it was the Law of Moses and the Prophets up until Acts 28."
Law and prophets until Acts 28? Really? My goodness, Mr. Kelson has never read Romans or Galatians. Seriously, do the Acts 28 Dispensationalists read the Bible at all? Could anyone outside of a mental institution read Romans and Galatians and say that it was under the Law of Moses? Paul clearly said in the Acts period that he was not under the Law but under Grace and he rebuked those that wanted to observe the Law. Using the allegory of Sara (freewoman=promise) and Hagar (bondwoman=Law), Paul says very clearly that we are not under the bondage of the Law.
Romans 6:
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 7:
[4] Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
[5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Galatians 2:
[16] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[17] But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[18] For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
[19] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[21] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 4:
[4] But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
[5] To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
[6] And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
[7] Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
[10] Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Galatians 4:21-5:3
[21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
[1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[3] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Another good one that the Acts 28ers try and teach is that Paul's ministry in Acts was a PROPHETIC ministry and not one of the Mystery (off Israel's prophetic clock). That is simply not true. Paul's Acts ministry was a mystery not foretold in the Law and Prophets. Paul said this very clearly. Paul preached the period of time in which Israel was blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (not in the OT), Paul preached Christ according to the revelation of the mystery (not in the OT), and Paul preached the pre-Daniel's 70th Week rapture of believers to Heaven (not in the OT).
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
1 Corinthians 2:
[6] Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Acts 28 Dispensationalists say that these mysteries are not real mysteries but only things "hidden in the scriptures, not hidden in God" (a Brian Kelsomn cliche). They say that these mysteries are "hid in the Scriptures" and that after Acts 28:28 Paul got better mysteries that were "hid in God" (Eph. 3:9). The lie just gets bigger and better. Paul said during Acts that he preached Christ "according to the revelation of the mystery, which was KEPT SECRET since the world began". God did not tell is to the prophets to right down in the OT, He kept it SECRET. The problem is the Acts 28ers do not believe the Bible, some of them even say that Romans 16:25 was not in the original but was later added months after the book of Romans was written. Of course the Acts 28ers do not believe in the Bible, they only believe in something they call "the original autographs" which they have never seen and never will. Paul also said that the mystery he preached in Acts was ordained "BEFORE the world" (1 Cor. 2:5-8), not "in the OT Scriptures".
Acts 28ers have no real arguments, all they have is problems. They do not have verses that say or imply that the Mystery of Christ was only made known after Acts 28:28, all they do is try and come up with contradictions/problems between the Acts Epistles of Paul and the Post-Acts Epistles of Paul and then say that they must be talking about two different programs. That is all they have, "problems".
They have problems with Paul quoting the OT so much during Acts, but Paul quoted the Old Testament in Ephesians and 1 Timothy which are post-Acts Epistles. Paul never said that he was fulfilling the Old Testament, he simply made the applications when available....Just like he did AFTER Acts (Eph. 6:1-3, 1 Tim. 5:18).
They have problems with Paul speaking of the time being short in 1 Corinthians 7:29, they think this means the Second Advent was at hand, ignoring the context of the "present distress" vs 26.
The Acts 28ers make half of a sentence their proof text, which is Acts 26:22 "Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:". This is their grand proof text which they quote more than any other, which shows how dishonest the Acts 28 movement is. Acts 26:22 is half of a sentence, yet they use it to teach that Paul did not have the revelation of the mystery during Acts. The whole sentence actually says "Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles." Paul limited his statement "none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say" to "That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles". Obviously the content of Romans/Galatians/Corinthians/Thessalonians is NOT found in the Old Testament since Paul says throughout those Epistles that he is speaking "MYSTERIES" kept secret since the world began (Rom. 11:25, 16:25, 1 Cor. 2:5-8, 4:1, 15:51, 1 Thes. 4:15). Try finding people being baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ where there is neither Jew nor Greek in the Old Testament...it is not there, but it is in Paul's Acts Epistles (1 Cor. 12:12-13, Gal. 3:26-29, Rom. 1:16, 10:12).
The Acts 28ers have problems with Paul keeping certain Law ordinances during Acts such as water baptism (Acts 16:15, 16:33, 18:8), circumcision (Acts 16:3), feasts (Acts 18:21), vows (Acts 16:18), and temple offerings (Acts 21:18-26). The 28ers then conclude that Paul was under the Law and teaching the Law....even though we just saw where Paul rebukes people for observing the Law and that he was under Grace (Rom. 6:14). Even though the Law and water baptism had nothing to do with what Christ told Paul to do (1 Cor. 1:14-17, Gal. 5:1), Paul observed the Law OCCASIONALLY so that he could lead the Jews to Christ. That is the reason Paul gives for why he kept the Law (1 Cor. 9:16-23, 10:33). "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law." "Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved."
The Acts 28ers also do not understand why Paul preached to the Jew first (Rom. 1:16). They say that because Paul preached to the Jew first that this means that Jew and Gentile were not "one" and that Ephesians 2:11-22 had not taken place yet. That is pretty funny actually. I do not see how anyone could possibly come to that conclusion just by reading "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." In the very same Epistle (Romans) Paul makes it very clear WHY he preached to the Jew first, it was because at that present time there was a a remnant according to the election of grace (See all of Romans 11, but mostly verses 1-14). Israel was blinded as a whole, but at the "present time" (Acts) there was an elect remnant of the Jews that God still wanted to reach even though they had rejected the offer of the Kingdom. God sent Paul to preach Grace to them where as they rejected the Gospel of the Kingdom, they would be offered the Gospel of the Grace of God where salvation is "no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace." See Romans 11:6. What is ironic is that while the Acts 28ers are looking at Romans 1:16 accusing Paul of teaching that Jew and Gentile were not one, they completely miss where Paul plainly says that Israel and the Gentiles are both equal and in the same situation: "For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." (Rom. 11:32). Also, what about all the other times in the Acts Epistles where Paul said that there is neither Jew nor Gentile? See 1 Corinthians 12:13 and Galatians 3:28.
The Acts 28ers love to grab Romans 15:27 where it says "It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things." The Acts 28ers use this to teach that Jew and Gentile are not one new man because the Gentiles are a debtor to the Jews and have partaken of their spiritual things. Of course, they ignore in the very same book where a JEW IS A DEBTOR TO THE GENTILES, "I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise." (Rom. 1:14). In Romans the Jews were debtors to the Gentiles and the Gentiles were debtors to the Jews. Jew and Gentile both partook of each others spiritual things in Acts and both were debtors, "For as ye (Gentiles) in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their (Israel's) unbelief: Even so have these (Jews) also now not believed, that through your (Gentiles) mercy they (Jews) also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. (Jew and Gentile are one)" (Rom. 11:32) The Acts 28ers do not believe that in the Dispensation of Grace Gentiles are partaking of Israel's spiritual things. They openly teach that, I am not misrepresenting them. In response to this I would like to ask the 28ers the following questions...
Do you use a Bible that was committed to the Jews? (Rom. 3:1-2, Ps. 148:19-20)
Is the King of the Jews now your King also? (Matt. 2:2, 1 Tim. 6:15).
Was it not the blood of the New Testament being shed that allowed for Jew and Gentile to be one? (1 Cor. 10:16-17, Eph. 2:11-22) Could there be a Jew-Gentile body under the Old Testament?
Paul says at the outset of Romans that Israel's main advantage over the Gentile was that the Jews had the word of God (Rom. 3:1-2) and CLEARLY we have partaken of that. We have 13 Epistles written by the apostle of the Gentiles to Gentiles who are not under the Law but under Grace.
Paul said in Ephesians that the Ephesians were partakers of the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ is their Chief Corner Stone as well. (Eph. 2:20). Ephesians refutes the bad Acts 28 teaching of Romans 15:27, it says very plainly that the Ephesians are in the same spiritual household as the apostles and prophets were (Eph. 2:19-20).
One more...the Acts 28ers big "gotcha" is found in Acts 28:20, "For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain." The 28ers say that Paul's hope was the Kingdom being restored to Israel and not the blessed hope of Titus 2:13. Which would be true if it wasn't for the fact that "the hope of Israel" is a PERSON and not an earthly Jewish Kingdom....
- Jeremiah 14:7-8 O LORD, though our iniquities testify against us, do thou it for thy name's sake: for our backslidings are many; we have sinned against thee. O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?
- Jeremiah 17:7, 17:13 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is...O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
- Jeremiah 50:7 All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the LORD, the habitation of justice, even the LORD, the hope of their fathers.
- Psalms 71:5 For thou art my hope, O Lord GOD: thou art my trust from my youth.
- Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
- Psalms 38:15 For in thee, O LORD, do I hope: thou wilt hear, O Lord my God.
- Psalms 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
- Psalms 131:3 Let Israel hope in the LORD from henceforth and for ever.
- Psalms 39:7 And now, Lord, what wait I for? my hope is in thee.
1 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
The 28ers will always have something else to complain about, but that is enough scriptural proof for any honest person to be convinced that Acts 28 Dispensationalism is the result carnality, craziness, and Athenianism...
I'm a bible-believing psalm 12:6-7 Gospel of the grace of God acts 20:24 1stCorinthians15:1-4 faith alone Ephesians1:7 Ephesians1:13 Ephesians2:8-9 premillennial Revelation19-20 pre-tribulation rapture first Thessalonians 1:10 Mid acts dispensational right division 2Timothy2:15Ephesians3:1-9 literal 6 day creation anti Darwinism Exodus 20:11 Exodus 31:17 one baptism Ephesians4:5 1Corinthians1:7 1Corinthians12:13 no signs for today anti charismatic 1st Corinthians13:8-13 against the sinner's prayer John 9:31 Isaiah59:1-2 against Calvinism lordship salvation against eternal torment Ezekiel 28:13 Malachi4:1 Malachi4:3 against the trinity John 8:24 John 10:36 Matthew 16:16 John 20:31 acts 9:20 against the universal salvation of all men and demons Ezekiel 28:18 Malachi 4:1 Malachi4:3 regardless of whether I am faithful to God he will be faithful to me 2nd Timothy 2:13 Romans 11:29
ReplyDeleteIf you are "against the trinity" then you are not saved. If Jesus Christ was just a man and not God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16, John 1:1-3, Acts 20:28, etc.), then His death could not have paid for our sins. And if you do not believe in "eternal torment", you are not a Bible believer.
Deleteyou sound just like the people in Acts 14:11 the only difference is you're saying that God is come down in human form instead of the gods have come down in human form sounds like Greek Pagan mythology to me and you say I'm not saved because I'm against the Trinity an eternal torment which Malachi 4:1 Malachi 4:3 and Ezekiel 28:18 refutes clearly says the devil and the wicked will be ashes under our feet and the proper translation for 1st Timothy 3:16 should be Jesus was manifested in the flesh you have clearly added to the gospel requiring somebody to believe the Trinity and eternal torment instead of just trusting him and the gospel alone to be saved
ReplyDelete1.) I don't care what you think I sound like.
Delete2.) You are the pagan one, since you believe that Jesus was just a man, not God. If Jesus were just a man, we should not pray in Jesus name or worship Him, since we are only suppose to worship God.
3.) I said that you are not saved because you do not believe in the God of the Bible, Father/Word/Holy Ghost.
4.) What does Malachi 4:1-3 and Ezekiel 28:18 have to do with eternal torment?
You have blasphemed Christ by saying that He is not God and you have also blasphemed His word by saying that 1 Timothy 3:16 is wrong. "God was manifest in the flesh" is the reading in the oldest and the majority of manuscripts. The KJB is the preserved word of God without error (though I know you don't believe that the word of God has been preserved perfectly in any book).
The Trinity is very plainly stated in the Bible...
The Son is called God countless times in the Bible (Isaiah 7:14/9:6, Matt. 1:23, 1 Tim. 3:16, Col. 1:15-18, 2:9, Heb. 1:8, John 1:1-3, 1:10, 20:28, Acts 7:59, 20:28, Rom. 9:5, 1 John 3:16, 5:20, Titus 2:13, etc. )and is equal with the Father (John 5:18, Phil. 2:6). He is everlasting and from everlasting (Micah 5:2, John 1:14-15, John 8:58, Rev. 1:18, 4:9-10, 10:6, 15:7, etc.) and is the image of the invisible God (2 Cor. 4:4, Col. 1:15, 2:9., Heb. 1:3).
Also, most of the prophecies of the Second Advent refer to Christ as LORD, God, etc.
You should spend more time reading the KJB instead of trying to correct it.
If Jesus wasn't God, what good did it do for Him to die on the cross? Man's blood can remit sins.
I used to be a KJV only trinitarian Bible believer like you but I have changed my mind because I clearly see that it is a Greek Pagan fable so I am saved since I have believe the gospel and trusted Christ which is what I've done the scriptures clearly teach that Jesus was a true human being it is clear from these verses that he was a man and not God acts 2:22-23 Acts 17:31 1st Timothy 2:5 Romans 5:15 the Greek word for men in these verses is anthropos and means a human being whether male or female generically to include all human individuals to distinguished man from beings or different races.anthropos is used to describe Adam the first man in the same verse Romans 5:15 it is used to describe Jesus Christ if words mean anything one must believe that Jesus was a flesh-and-blood human being just like Adam on the other hand scripture says that God is not a man numbers 23:11 Hosea 11:9 Jesus Christ is a man he is the only man Our Savior Our Redeemer our mediator our Lord and constant companion our best friend our big brother the light of our lives our peace our joy our mentor is the lover of our souls
ReplyDeleteYou are a major apostate then.
DeleteWhy are you trying to discuss Bible issues with me when you know that we don't even have the same Bible? Obviously we aren't going to be able to agree on these matters because I have a different authority than you, the KJB.
The issue is not that Christ was a man, of course He was. The issue is was He God manifest in the flesh? The Bible says yes.
John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Philippians 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 11:
[6] And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
[7] Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Who do you think is going to come to Jerusalem at the end of Daniel's 70th Week, Christ or God the Father? Who do you think Zechariah 14:1-9 is about?
By the way, you do know that the Father is referred to as "he" don't you? Wouldn't that make Him a man? What do you think of Exodus 15:3? "The LORD is a MAN of war: the LORD is his name."
DeleteAnd what do you do with John 8:58. "Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
Tyler, what do you think of Jesus baptism where all 3, Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all together shown at the same time? Matthew 3:16..."And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightaway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: vs.17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Deleteall you have to do with John 8:58 is compare it with John 10:36 before Abraham was I am the Son of God that is what he is saying if you compare those verses together it's not saying he's claiming to be God otherwise why does Jesus say in John 20:17 Revelation 3:12 Matthew 27:46 and why does Peter and Paul both say in 1 Peter 1:3 Ephesians 1:3 and in Ephesians:117 that Jesus has a God if he has a God he cannot be God otherwise God would have a God and we know that's not true
ReplyDeleteThat's stupid. What does John 10:36 have to do with John 8:58? I see no comparison between the two. The context of John 8:58 is Christ's AGE.
DeleteJohn 8:
[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus referred to the Father as God because He is....God. What other title would He give the Father? But it is funny that you mention John 20...because in verse 28 Thomas called Jesus God and He didn't correct him.
The Godhead has three members, God is tripartite. (Gen. 1:26, 11:7, Isa. 6:8, 1 Thes. 5:23, 1 John 5:7).
You think because Christ called the Father God, then He must not be God Himself. What about when the Father called Christ God, does that mean the Father is not God? (Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.)
How did Christ create the world if He was just a man that did not exist until 2000 years ago? (Eph. 3:9, John 1:1-3, John 1:7, Col. 1:15-17).
The Bible refers to Christ as God scores of times, especially in the OT prophecies of the Second Advent. You are wasting time disputing it.
the relationship between God and Jesus is that of deity and non deity the Messiah is called adoni(my Lord)and in every one of its a 195 occurrences adoni(my Lord)means a superior who is not God Adonai on the other hand refers exclusively to the one God and all 449 occurrences Adonai is the title of deity and adoni never designates deity so when the verses where Jesus is being referred to as god the word is Adoni not Adonai
ReplyDeleteAdonai is a Hebrew word you moron, it has nothing to do with the NT references to Christ being called God.
DeleteYou sound like a follower of Sir Anthony Buzzard.
Also, are you foreign? You have terrible English. Your last comment was one long "run on" sentence.
You also haven't responded to any of the points I have made nor any of the verses I posted that refer to Christ as God. Another good one is Titus 2:13...
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"
And I repeat: 'Why are you trying to discuss Bible issues with me when you know that we don't even have the same Bible? Obviously we aren't going to be able to agree on these matters because I have a different authority than you, the KJB.'
Few have acknowledged Chas. Welch influence after 1906 on Bullinger's ministries and what the BPT did to stanch Welch's taking of the BPT. Bryan Ross work on the matter is very informative. Few Hybriders (Acts 2) have really researched the matter or been in any sense objective about mid-Acts and have borne false witness against their brethren.
ReplyDeleteI thoroughly agree!
DeleteThank you, Mr. Cartwright!
ReplyDeleteI was an Acts 28 proponent for several years after spending several years prior having a good understanding that all of Paul's letters were for us. (All the Bible is for us.)
I've finally come full circle to seeing Paul's message was to provide a deep understanding of Christ's work on the cross- first, to a Hebrew remnant and then to the nations.
The word "kingdom", I think is where many Acts 28 teachers get caught up in earthly verses heavenly. Paul's message is spiritual to all of us, I'm seeing.
God tells us about the different ages/eons in which He operates. He also uses His servants to dispense information for a group or time.
Still studying on whether there is an earthly program coming for a nation of Israel. Not sure anymore. I think all believers are members of His body looking for a heavenly hope.
Although I disagree with your understanding of KJV only; eternal damnation and the trinity, I do see that polygamy is a lifestyle that is not taught for Christians and has such an appearance of evil as to turn folks away from other Bible truths. I must mention as well that most Acts 28 believers abhor the lifestyle of polygamy. There are polygamist all throughout doctrinal lines. It certainly was a dispensational issue and had it's purpose. It is not for a believer, in particular a leader.
Thank you again for the great teaching.
Grace and peace to you!
Greetings from a mid-Acts dispensationalist.
ReplyDeleteI used to follow Pilkington when he had a daily devotional that was pretty good, despite Calvinistic presuppositions that had to be discarded. I quit when he went 28, renounced the KJV and started preaching increasing amounts of weirdness.
What really capped it for me was reading a book he wrote on marriage (can't remember the title) in which he implied that no matter what a wife does wrong in a marriage...coldness, lying, adultery...it was ultimately the fault and failing of her husband because women are simply responders and, like Christ, men are to initiate everything. I found this not only grossly unfair to all husbands but also infantilizing to women, which now occurs to me as probably a goal of these modern-day "patriarchs." Anyway, the book went in the trash and I've since read nothing Pilkington has written.
I also regretted Ivan Burgener's slide into 28.