Pre-Trib Rapture


The identity of Babylon (Revelation 17-18) 

City on seven hills?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

The Path of the Second Advent 

What does "the last trump" mean?

Another shot at the "Post Tribbers"

What is the "falling away" of 2 Thes. 2:3? 

Read this...(Jer. 30)

The "little flock" Luke 12:31-32 

The Coming Time of Trouble--Pastor Rick Jordan

Does salvation in Daniel's 70th Week require works? (Part 1)

Does salvation in Daniel's 70th Week require works? (Part 2) 

Does salvation in Daniel's 70th Week require works? (Part 3) 

Does salvation in Daniel's 70th Week require works? (Part 4) 

Does salvation in Daniel's 70th Week require works? (Part 5)   

2 Thessalonians 2 and the Pre-Trib Rapture

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture vs the wanderings of Steven Anderson (Part 1)

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture vs the wanderings of Steven Anderson (Part 2)

Post-Tribulation Rapture Fraud! The rapture is at ...

Is the rapture in Matthew 24?

Reply to a Post-Tribber on Mark 13:37: "I say unto ALL"?

Who's wrath?

Post Tribbers, so dishonest!

Post-Trib Rapture Lies (Part 1)

Post-Trib Rapture lies (Part 2) 

Names of the Tribulation 

Trumps, trumpets, and the last trump. 

Updated, Zechariah 7:8-8:8

Pre-"Tribulation" rapture in 2 Corinthians 4:14-5:11                         

The Day of Christ Not At Hand by Pastor Justin Johnson

What is the Day of the Lord?

What is the Last Trump of 1 Corinthians 15:52?

The Day of the Lord by Pastor David O'Steen

"The Last Trump" sermon preached by Pastor Richard Jordan

Proofs of the Pretribulation Rapture by John Henry

The Pretribulation rapture contrasted with the return of Christ to the earth by John Henry 

The Rapture: What, When, Who, and Why? by John Henry
Pre-tribul​ation rapture vs 2nd coming 

The post tribulation rapture heresy 

Does the Body of Christ go through the Tribulation?

Pre-trib rapture

Who are the "elect" in Matthew 24? 

The Second Coming Of Christ (Part 1), by Clarence Larkin  

The Second Coming of Christ (Part 2), by Clarence Larkin

The Day of Redemption  

This generation shall not pass?

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church by Bill Pierce (Part 1) 

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church by Bill Pierce (Part 2) 
The Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church by Bill Pierce (Part 3)

We can't go into the Trib sermon by Pastor Gilbert Schellin

Rev. Morgan Edwards Taught a Pre-Tribulation Rapture in the 1740s by Gary Stearman 

Delivered From The Wrath To Come (sermons by Pastor Paul Saddler)

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture (sermon by Pastor Paul Saddler)    

Reasons for a Pre Trib Rapture by James Modlish

Dr. Sam Gipp "Post Trib Pre Wrath"

Post-Trib, Pre-Wrath
Sam Gipp
Real Audio Play



    Rev. 21:9 is about The New Jerusalem, the Bride, the Wife (Married already) of the Lamb (this is after the end of the Millennium, and start of the New Heaven and New Earth)

    9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
    (I hope we don’t have another bride in mind, like what pretribbers did to Matthew 24:29,30, making it the second rapture/resurrection, which they say is still an integral part of the first resurrection of Rev. 20. Jesus will get His Bride one time only, not several times)

    Why does it have to be ONE OF THE SEVEN ANGELS WHO HAD THE SEVEN BOWLS, be the one appointed by Jesus to show to John the Bride? Why not one of the seven angels who had the trumpets, or Michael, or Gabriel, or any other Angels?

    Checkout Rev. 16:12-15
    12 THE SIXTH ANGEL POUR OUT HIS BOWL on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

    15 Behold I come like a THIEF! BLESSED is the ONE who stays awake (WISE VIRGINS? AND/OR THE WEDDING GUESTS?) and remains clothed (OIL/HOLY SPIRIT), so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.” Matthew 22

    To make the above more logically valid, here is another scriptures to back it up:

    Rev. 16:17-19
    17 The SEVENTH ANGEL poured out his BOWL into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered BABYLON THE GREAT and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.

    Rev. 17:1
    17 ONE of the SEVEN ANGELS who had the SEVEN BOWLS came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the GREAT PROSTITUTE, who sits by many waters.



    1. Thank you very much for the comment sir. Of course I have to disagree with you because I do not believe you are rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15). In fact, I know you aren't because you don't seem to have the word of truth. The King James Bible is clearly the inspired word of God in English and that is not the Bible that you used.

      Examples of the differences between your version and the KJB is that the word of God says "vial", not "bowl". The word of God also says "whore", not "prostitute".

      You need to believe and use a KJB, as you can see I have posts, articles, and other resources on the version issue.

      I had a hard time following some of your comment.

      However, you mention the bride of the Lamb, but that will not change the "pre trib" rapture doctrine. The bride is Israel, not the church, according to Isa. 54:5-6, Jer. 3:6-8, 3:14, 3:20, 31:4, 31:21, Hosea 1:1-2:20.

      The church the Body of Christ is not Israel (Rom. 11:25, 1 Cor. 12:13, Gal. 3:28, Gal. 6:15, Eph. 2:14, 3:1-9, 2 Cor. 5:17).

      Thanks again for your comment and I hope I didn't sound rude.

      Have a blessed week! --Eli "Hoss" Caldwell

  2. Hi Hoss,

    Here is my logic for presenting to you the scriptures that tells when the Bride was resurrected and raptured:

    1. It is the Sixth Angel who poured the Sixth Vial who introduced to John the Bride. Why? because this angel witnessed the resurrection/rapture event.

    2. It is the Seventh Angel who poured the Seventh Vial who introduce to John the Great Prostitute. Why? because this angel witnessed the punishment event.

    There you have it, as simple as it can be explained. No need to check it from KJV, NIV, NLT, Scoff ield Bible, Darby...

    Bride = Dead in Christ = Alive in Christ = Those who holds to the Testimony of Jesus Christ = 144,000 from the 12 Tribes who preached about Christ = Great Tribulation Saints who did not deny Christ = Saints of Christ = Messianic Jews = Jews who became followers of Christ because of the 144K Ministry = New Jerusalem

    Great Prostitute = Great Whore = Mystery Babylon = Mother of Harlots = Babylon the Great = Old Apostate Jerusalem (Those who claim they are Jews but they are of the Synagogue of Satan)

    Church = Follower of Christ = Body of Christ = Jew and Gentile Believers of Christ = Heirs of the Promise = True Israel = Abraham's seeds in the faith



    1. I understood what you said, I just didn't see the point. Does anyone dispute what you said about the 6th and 7th angels pouring out the 6th and 7th vials?

      Babylon is Babylon...not sure what you mean by calling it "old Jerusalem".

      The church the Body of Christ is not Israel (Rom. 11:25, 1 Cor. 12:13, Gal. 3:28, Gal. 6:15, Eph. 2:14, 3:1-9, 2 Cor. 5:17), so it is severely incorrect to call us the "true Israel". If you are saved you are part of the Body of Christ where there is neither Jew nor Gentile, you are not part of a "true Israel". To be "true" Israel rather than wrong Israel, you would have to be part of Israel to begin with. If you confuse the Body of Christ with Israel you will eventually end up claiming portions of the Bible and commandments that were given to Israel that would be wrong for members of the Body of Christ to follow. Which is why we must rightly divide the word of truth. (2 Tim. 2:15-18)

    2. My point is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture of the alive in Christ happens right before the punishment of the Great Whore which is during the pouring of the 7th Vial Judgement.

      In Rev. 21, about the introduction of the Bride to John by the Sixth Angel of the 6th Vial Judgement, after the thousand years, you cannot simply ignore this specific detail about this angel, its relevance and significance.

      Yes, no one had yet disputed this view. There was one in youtube who explained about the timing of the rapture but he just delved on Rev. 16:15 "Behold I come as a Thief" subject, and have never discovered to tie it up with Rev. 21:9 about the 6th Angel who holds the Sixth Vial.

      About the Old Apostate Jerusalem, you can start with this scriptures:

      Rev. 11:8
      Their bodies will lie in the public square of the GREAT CITY--which is figuratively called Sodom (adulterous) and Egypt (idolatrous)--where also their Lord (Jesus) was crucified.

      Rev. 2:9
      9 I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

      Rev. 3:9
      9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

      Old Apostate Jerusalem is now a spirit not a place anymore. When Old Jerusalem were influenced by the spirit of Babylon, it became apostate, adulterous, and idolatrous.

      So wherever the Spirit of the Old Apostate Jerusalem has its influence, it becomes its seat.

      Have you wondered where the figuratively called Pharisees, those who claim they are Jew but they are not but of the synagogue of satan, who persecuted the prophets and the saints, have their influence and power right now?

      The church/jew and gentile christians was grafted to Israel. So that makes them one with True Israel. Jews are not entirely Israel, they are from the tribe of Judah and Benjamin, which is just part of Israel.

      The New Jerusalem is very Israel in its description, 12 gates represents the 12 tribes of Israel, and the 12 foundations represents the 12 Apostles from the tribe of Judah and Benjamin.

      Do you think the 10 lost tribes had their descendants scattered and lived only around the middle east?

    3. Again, you are not using the KJB but rather perverted scripture, if you comment on this site please use the KJB. We are using different authorities so we cannot really have an adequate or reasonable discussion.

      You ask: "Have you wondered where the figuratively called Pharisees, those who claim they are Jew but they are not but of the synagogue of satan, who persecuted the prophets and the saints, have their influence and power right now?"

      They were not "figuratively called Pharisees", they were actual people who came into the churches claiming to be Jews but they weren't. The churches in Revelation are prophetic to the Day of the Lord (Rev. 1:10) and the members of those churches are apparently Jews, since that is who God is dealing with in Daniel's 70th Week (Dan. 9:24). It is clear in Revelation that those churches are full of Jews because they are not suppose to eat things offered unto idols (Rev. 2:14-15, 2:20) because it was a stumbling block.

      In Daniel's 70th Week the physical Jews that believe the gospel of the Kingdom are His people and they are elevated above the Gentile nations, therefore when God calls it a "blasphemy" (Rev. 2:9, 3:9) to claim to be a Jew when you aren't He is referring to people who are coming into a Jewish assembly pretending to be one of them.

      If someone came into a church today and said they were a Jew, I could care less if they were telling the truth or not and it certainly would not be a "blasphemy".

      The entire book of Revelation has to do with Daniel's 70th Week and God's judgment on Israel, using Satan to do it. And of course the Day of the Lord includes His judgment on the Gentiles as well.

      Revelation is not about the Body of Christ because we are not part of the prophetic plan of God spoken since the world began (Luke 1:70, Acts 3:21), the Body of Christ was a mystery kept secret since the world began (Rom. 11:25, 16:25, Eph. 3:1-9, 5:32, Col. 1:24-27, etc.)

      You may have noticed that God STOPPED the prophetic clock of Daniel's 70th Week to begin the MYSTERY dispensation of Grace until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (Rom. 11:25) THEN He resumes dealing with Israel (Rom. 11:26-27). The Body of Christ is not part of prophecy, not part of Daniel's 70 weeks.

      Revelation 2-3 teaches works salvation (overcoming and enduring) and the gospel of the Kingdom (Matt. 24:13-14), NOT the gospel of the grace of God that we preach under grace. (how that salvation is by faith alone in Christ's shed blood and death, burial, resurrection)

      The Israel of God IS SEPARATE FROM THE CHURCH THE BODY OF CHRIST WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GENTILE--check the scriptures(Rom. 11:25, 1 Cor. 12:13, Gal. 3:28, Gal. 6:15, Eph. 2:14, 3:1-9, 2 Cor. 5:17).

      Romans 11 does not say that the Body of Christ was grafted into Israel, it says that the Gentiles were taken out of a wild olive tree and grafted (vs 13). Romans 11 is talking about nations, not individual people. If you check all three chapters of Rom. 9-11 it is talking about nations. Individuals are dealt with in Romans 3-8 and the Body of Christ dealt with in chapter 12. There is much more that could be said on this.

      There are no "lost tribes" with God, in Daniel's 70th Week God will 144,000 Jewish evangelists, 12,000 from each tribe. (which get raptured before the end of the Week--Rev. 14:1-4)


Your questions or comments welcome.