Hoss vs Herb, Colossians 2:10-12

Hoss vs Herb discussion on Colossians 2:10-12.

Herb, both the mystical circumcision and baptism happen at the moment a sinner repents and trusts Christ.

Here are my scriptures

Galatians 3:1-3

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Colossians 2:10-12

​And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Here is my rationale

According to Galatians 3:3 we are not made perfect by the flesh ("are ye now made perfect by the flesh"). We do not begin in the Spirit and by process do works that makes us perfect. Therefore, the "circumcision" and "baptism" that makes us COMPLETE in Christ cannot be works of our flesh.

The circumcision of Col. 2:11 is something we get IN CHRIST........("In whom also ye are circumcised ")......WITHOUT HANDS ("made without hands").......BY THE CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST ("by the circumcision of Christ").......and the result is a separation of the old man from the new man ("in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh").

That is not circumcision of the heart and ears, that is a metaphor (obviously). However, the circumcision of Col. 2:11 is a literal, spiritual action accomplished when the believer is put in Christ ("in whom...ye are circumcised") that puts off the body of the sins of the flesh.

There was my two cents. --bro Hoss

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he QUICKENED together with him, having FORGIVENyou all trespasses.

Nonsense! It is the body of the sins OF THE FLESH that is put off, since it is the sins that must be removed or cut off since we  were dead in sins and the UNCIRCUMCISION of the FLESH; Therefore we have to be QUICKENED and FORGIVEN rather than some science fiction type circumcision made into a sensational thing. There is no such thing as a MYSTICAL CIRCUMCCISION or baptism involved. -- Herb Evans

Herb,

To be saved and put in Christ we must......

1.) Realize we are sinners​

2.) Repent

3.) Trust Christ by faith knowing that He supplied salvation (Acts 17, Rom 3, 4, 5, 10, 1 Cor. 15:1-4, Eph. 1:13, etc. etc.)

Now, Herb says that the circumcision is repentance (circumcise your heart and ears) which is #2 on the salvation requirement list (no works on the list).

However, we only have this circumcision IN CHRIST ("in whom...ye are circumcised"). We repented BEFORE we were in Christ, not after. Unless you are a Calvinist!

Since when does repentance put off the body of the sins of the flesh? I thought Christ did that? In fact, I didn't think we could put off the body of the sins of the flesh WITHOUT being saved. Herb, you are saying that your own repentance (heart/ear circumcision) that you did BEFORE you got saved and in Christ 'put of the body of the sins of the flesh'.

Meanwhile the verse still says that we acquired this circumcision when we got put in Christ ("in whom") and that the circumcision is done by the circumcision of Christ.

King James Version

Colossians 2:10-12

​And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Herb Evans Version

Colossians 2:10-12

​And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In yourself ye have repented with the repentance made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the repentance of Christ: Buried with him in water baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of a Baptist preacher, who hath raised him from the dead.

The circumcision is done "in Christ" "by the circumcision of Christ" and it put off the body of the sins of the flesh.

The baptism is done "through the faith of the operation of God" "by one Spirit" into Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-13).

If you aren't fond of the KJB readings I suppose you can pen your own translation, everyone else seems to be doing it! LOL    (joking)

 --bro. Hoss