Thursday, April 24, 2014

Refuting "It's time to retire the KJV" heresy.

Below I will be refuting a piece of trash somebody has called an "article" that's only purpose is to try and convince people to get rid of the Authorized King James Version. Everybody is against ONE Book. 

The words of the heretic in red, my refute in green.

It's time to retire the KJV
Well I think it's time to retire you.

The KJV is celebrating its 400th birthday this year and it has served the church of Jesus Christ well over those years.  Its time for the church to offer the KJV a gold watch, shake its hand, and let it fade into history. Andrew Wencl, at sbcIMPACT posted an article today which facetiously (I think) suggested a resolution for the 2012 SBC Annual Meeting calling us to state that it is not an acceptable translation for use in Christian churches today – as per previous resolutions concerning the TNIV and NIV.  He is on to something.  It is time for serious Bible students and people in the pews to leave their KJVs home and get a more accurate, more helpful translation of the Bible to use.

 Who cares what you think should be left at the house?

Who cares what you think should "fade" away?
 ...... "Did ye never read in the scriptures..." Matthew 21:42

Isaiah 40:8  The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

1 Peter 1:
[23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
[24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
[25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. 

Obviously, what translation people use in their private Bible Study is not mine to dictate.  However, I strongly urge pastors to read and preach from a more accurate modern translation than to keep on using the King James.

Who cares what you think is "more accurate"? I strongly urge you to shut up and quit preaching at all. 

Here are my reasons. ("Yea, hath God said" Genesis 3:1)

1)  The KJV, obviously, uses archaic language that makes it harder to understand the Bible.  People do not speak that language today.  I don’t use a Spanish Bible on Sunday – my people don’t really know Spanish.  Words have changed meaning (conversation meant lifestyle, not discussion, for instance).

You, obviously, are an idiot that is corrupting the word of God (2 Cor. 2:17). People do not speak the very old, very archaic, and very hard to read Greek or Hebrew but you still attempt to read and study those texts/manuscripts, why can't I do the same with the AV 1611? It is because you are a bigot. I never told you that you shouldn't read your old, archaic, hard to understand Hebrew/Greek manuscripts. So why are you telling me that I shouldn't read the AV? That is plain Adolph Hitler, racist, Nazi, genocide, bigotry.  

2)  The use of Koine Greek in the writing of the NT seems to indicate that God wanted us to read the Bible in the language we speak, not the language of 400 years ago.  He could have inspired the NT in the lofty language of classical Greek, but did not.  God wanted people to read the Bible in their own language.  KJV English is nobody’s language today, except for a few ushers praying before the offering.

The Greek texts/manuscripts are not in your everyday language either but you still attempt to read those. 

3)  The textual basis of the KJV is woeful.  Many of the manuscripts that modern textual criticism relies on weren’t even discovered until after 1611.  We are far closer to an accurate knowledge of the autographa today than we were then.

I do not give a rip about what "modern textual criticism relies on" much less when it was discovered. As for your third sentence, you seem to indicate that the word of God is lost and it is a continual process to try and find what God let become void, unprosperous, and not accomplishing anything. If that is what you are saying, you have never read Isaiah 55:10-11.....

Isaiah 55:
[10] For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 

4)  The science of textual criticism has made great strides in the last 400 years.  Again, we simply know what the authors wrote better now than in 1611.

You do believe that the word of God lost and it slowly being recovered. "Again, we simply know what the authors wrote better now than in 1611" what do you "know" better and understand better in a modern version that we did not have in a AV first? Nothing....

5)  The idolatry of the KJV-only groups must be opposed.  They promote a false doctrine that should not be submitted to but opposed by those who love the Word and want people to understand it.  Even the traditionalism of KJV-preference can be a little oppressive.  It is a tradition without value that can actually hinder the work of the church.

I do not worship the Bible. I do not pray to it nor do I believe it is a God, but it should be exalted and magnified. 

Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

If using and believing that the King James Bible is the inspired word of God makes me an "idol" worshipper, what about you? You use many versions and you use different Greek are a polytheist. 

6)  As Andrew said, the KJV is one of the least accurate, least clear translations we have available.  When such superior translations of God’s Word exist, why use the KJV?

What do you have in a modern perversion that I did not know or understand first in the Authorized King James Version? The modern versions are very confusing on important doctrines such as the deity of Christ, virgin birth, trinity, and preservation of scripture. Who cares what this "Andrew" said? 

7)  The use of the King James can be counter-productive to effective outreach.  If we are missional, then we are more concerned with the mission than with pleasing people and pacifying the pews.  In the world at large, the KJV does not communicate to people.  It seems to me that 99% of the reasons to use the KJV focus on keeping the people already in the pews happy.  But the people in the pews should be concerned with reaching a lost and dying world.  That lost and dying world does not relate to thees and thous and doest and goeth.  It would seem somewhat anti-missional to use the KJV.

Really? What about Dr. Peter Ruckman? He has a big church, big following, he has led a lot of souls to Christ, and he has done it with an AV. I got save while listening to Dr. Ruckman preach out of an AV when I was must not know what you are talking about. More souls have been led to Christ of a King James Bible than any other book on the face of the earth. You need to lay off the bottle!

8.)  Can anyone give me one, good, biblical and rational reason to continue using the KJV?

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:
[14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:  

Psalms 119:140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it. 

How is that? It was more than "one reason", it was "biblical" and "rational". (Unlike anything you have said yet.)

There is no question that the KJV was a blessing for many years. 
So was the Model T.  But I don’t drive to church in a Model T and I don’t preach from the KJV.

The KJV is still currently a blessing. If your grandparents get dementia, get eye problems, get hearing problems, etc. do you recommend forgetting about them since they are hard to understand and communicate with? 

Also, the reason you do not understand a KJV is because you never study it and read it like it was the inspired word of God. You do not think it is pure and therefore you do not love it.  

Psalms 119:140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it. 

What thinkest thou, brethren?
I think you are an idiot.

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