Wednesday, July 23, 2014

Brian Kelson of Acts (refuted by true right division)

Brian R. Kelson of Acts in red, me in green. --Eli "Hoss" Caldwell

Did Paul preach to the Body during Acts? 

QUESTIONS When Paul Was preaching to the Jew first and then the gentile was he teaching repent and be baptized or the message pertaining to the body of Christ?

ANSWER There was no church which is His Body during the Acts period because the truth of the present dispensation had not been revealed while Israel remained as God's people.

( Oh really? Well look at 1 Corinthians 6:15-17, 10:16-32, 11:3, and 12:12-27 and you will find that in the Acts period the believers were not Jews and not Gentiles, they were the "church of God", "members of Christ, "joined unto the Lord", "baptized by one Spirit into one body whether we be Jew Gentile", "the body of Christ", and have Christ as their "head". )

Let us go to the one passage the mid acts people love namely 1Cor.15 but we will look at both the opening and close of this great resurrection chapter. (You mean you don't love 1 Corinthians 15?) Before we do, remember the Passover and unleavened Bread Feast given to Israel is mentioned in chapter 5, the supernatural gifts of Pentecost, another Jewish Feasts are found in chapter 12 and here in chapter 15 we have the Feasts of Unleavened Bread (Christ the first fruit) and the Feast of Trumpets. (Here's Kelson's "feast of unleavend bread" in 1 Corinthians 5.
[6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Hmm, and that is Paul teaching them to observe Jewish feasts? I don't think so buddy. 

The only other time "feast" is used in 1 Corinthians is in 10:27, "If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake." But that reference is irrelevant to the issue obviously. There is no Passover feast in 1 Corinthians either. There is the communion (The Lord's Supper) but that is a memorial for the church, the body of Christ. See 10:17, " For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread." That is a memorial of how they became one body, by partaking of Christ (via Spirit baptism of Romans 6, 1 Corinthians 12, and Galatians 3)

There is also no "feast of trumpets" in 1 Corinthians. You can't find it with a flash light. Paul taught in Acts that his converts were UNDER GRACE and not UNDER THE LAW in Romans 6. How could he teach Jewish feasts if they were not under the law? )

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures; 1Co 15:3-4

Notice all this is according to the Scriptures never hidden in God. Also notice in verse 11 that Paul makes no distinction between the gospel he is preaching and that Peter is preaching because it didn't matter who preached, they believed in the death burial and resurrection of Christ, that is the issue, not whether they were water baptized or not.

(That is the gospel of the grace of God and the way Brian Kelson is belittling it makes me believe he is not saved. Meanwhile Kelson says that water baptism is not an issue between Paul and Peter. However, Mark 16:15-16 and Matthew 28:19 make it clear that Peter was SENT TO BAPTIZE and that it was part of the gospel while Paul did not baptize all his converts and he said "CHRIST SENT ME NOT TO BAPTIZE". 

Peter said "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized" and Paul said "I thank God I baptized none of you". Peter said "repent and be baptized for the remission of sins" and Paul said "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved". 

Peter had the gospel of the "circumcision" and Paul had the gospel of the "uncircumcision" according to Galatians 2:7. Some people say that those are not two different gospels but only describing who the gospel is going to be preached to. However, Peter was sent to "every creature" and "all nations" and he preached to Gentiles in Acts 2. When it says that Peter had the gospel of the circumcision it means that he had the gospel aimed at and pertaining to Israel. Paul had a different gospel pertaining to the Gentiles. )

 Now, does the fact that Paul is preaching Christ crucified and calling on all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30) mean the dispensation of the grace of God has been revealed or begun to be revealed and the answer to that is NO. (The answer to that is YES. Romans 6:14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace". But Mr. Kelson says that the dispensation of grace hadn't started yet.....????? Not to mention that Paul states in 1 Timothy 1:14-17 that when he was committed his gospel (Acts 9) that he became the pattern for exceeding abundant grace and longsuffering. Not at Acts 28 but Acts 9. Not to mention that Paul was committed grace to lay the foundation for others to build thereupon before Acts 28 according to 1 Corinthians 3:10. ) Lets us look at the resurrection of the believers in 1Cor.15:51-55 which resurrection is at the last Trumpet, the Feast given to Israel; (Where is this feast you keep talking about? Just because there is a trumpet sounded does not mean that a feast is involved. Why don't you just be quite, you're making me hungry.)

Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed; in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory. (Is.25:8) O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?" (Hos.13:14) 1Co 15:51-55

(Note: You did not use a Bible (KJB) you used a perversion.)

This is very clearly the hope of the believers during Acts, the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets and a resurrection to where? (Where was the feast? Was it thanksgiving turkey or Christmas ham?)

Paul quotes Is.25 and Hosea13 and the answer is also very clearly the earth, not heavenly places. Here are the two passages and some snippets from their contexts; (Where did it say ANYTHING about the earth??? This rapture was a MYSTERY BY THE WORD OF THE LORD and is NOT found in ANY OT passage.

1 Corinthians 15:
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[56] The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[57] But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[58] Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:
[13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

There was nothing said about coming to the earth and it was a mystery by the word of the Lord. Not in the OT. There was also nothing about a feast. When you said that Paul quoted the OT all he did was quote a "saying" that would be "brought to pass" about victory over death. You think that means that this wasn't a mystery by the word of the Lord?)   

You shall bring down the noise of foreigners, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of cloud. The shouting of the terrifying ones shall be brought low. And in this mountain Jehovah of Hosts shall make a feast of fat things for all the people, a feast of wine on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of refined wine on the lees. And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering which covers all people, and the veil that is woven over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord Jehovah will wipe away tears from all faces. And He shall take away from all the earth the rebuke of His people. For Jehovah has spoken. And one shall say in that day, Lo, this is our God. We have waited for Him, and He will save us. This is Jehovah; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation. For the hand of Jehovah shall rest in this mountain, and Moab shall be trampled under Him, even as straw is trampled in the water of a dung pit. And He shall spread out His hands in their midst, as he who swims strokes to swim. And He shall bring down their pride with the skill of His hands. And the fortress of the high fort of your walls He will lay low, bring to the ground, to the dust. Isa 25:5-12

And Hosea; O Israel, you have destroyed yourself; but in Me is your help. Where is your king now, that he may save you in all your cities; and your judges of whom you said, Give me a king and rulers? I gave you a king in My anger, and took him away in My wrath. The iniquity of Ephraim is bound up; his sin hidden. The pains of a woman in travail shall come to him. He is an unwise son; for he cannot stand still in the time of the breaking forth of sons. I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. O Death, where are your plagues; O Grave, where is your ruin! Repentance shall be hidden from My eyes. Hos 13:9-14

I will be as the dew to Israel; he shall grow as the lily and cast out his roots like Lebanon. His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon. They who dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive like the grain, and grow like the vine. Their scent shall be as the wine of Lebanon. Hos 14:5-7

Then the sons of Judah and the sons of Israel shall be gathered together, and shall set over themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land. For great shall be the day of Jezreel. Hos 1:11

(And none of that was relevant to the mystery rapture given by the word of the Lord. And get a King James Bible.)

This is the setting of the Acts period as per 1Cor.15. but why not also examine the hope of Romans as found in Roms.15:4-13. Please look up every OT reference Paul uses in that hope section we will see it is also
consistently the earth and the gentiles blessed with Israel, that is not our hope today. Also carefully read Gals.3 to 4:27 where the inheritance for the justified Jew and Gentile was the inheritance given to Abraham by promise. (The promise in Galatians is receiving justification and the Spirit by faith, there is NOTHING about land in the passage. Meanwhile you cited an allegory in Gal. 4:27. 

Galatians 4:
[22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
[30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
[31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. 

In this ALLEGORY (unwise to try and establish a doctrine based on a figurative passage):

Hagar = the old covenant, the earthly Jerusalem in bondage
Ishmael = those born after the flesh
Sarah = the new covenant, the heavenly Jerusalem which is free
Isaac = those born after the Spirit
“mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, WHICH IS AGAR”
“But Jerusalem, which is above is free, WHICH IS THE MOTHER OF US ALL” (i.e. Sarah)
Paul is not saying that the heavenly Jerusalem is our mother. He is saying that Sarah, who represents the Jerusalem which is above, is our mother. Abraham is “the father of us all” (Rom. 4:16). Abraham is said to be our father in the spiritual sense that we receive righteousness from God by faith as he did. Sarah, Abraham’s wife, is our mother in the spiritual sense that her son, Isaac, represents those that are born after the Spirit. We are not under the new covenant but we are born after the Spirit like those who will be brought under the new covenant. 
Nice try Mr. Kelson. )

So did Paul preach repentance during Acts, yes he did, but that doesn't mean our calling had begun. Did Paul baptize Jews during Acts, yes (Verse reference to him baptizing a Jew???) he did but it was Jew first (which is not today) and the hope was the promised made to Israel's fathers (Verse????). Not in any recorded address, or in any letter written during Acts did Paul address a company called the church which is His Body with Christ as Head and blessings in the heavenly places. That company was only revealed to Paul as the company belonging to the present dispensation of the grace of God after Israel was put to one side at Acts 28.

(Are you lying to me? 

1 Corinthians 6:
[15] Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
[16] What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
[17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

1 Corinthians 10:
[17] For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
[18] Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the alter?
[19] What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
[20] But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

[32] Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 12:
[11] But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[14] For the body is not one member, but many.

[27] Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Y'all come back now, ya heah! ) 

No comments:

Post a Comment

Your questions or comments welcome.