Friday, October 2, 2015

Critique of the Baptist Faith

In the last post I provided the Scriptures and the quotes to prove that the Baptist denomination as a whole preaches a false gospel. In this post I will refute their other beliefs from their statement of faith. Their faith is filled with satanism.

Here is the statement from Parker Memorial Baptist Church:

There Statement of Faith is in red font, my comments are in blue font bracketed.  

To set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us…that thou mightest know the certainty of those things wherein thou hast been instructed, we set forth the commonly believed confession of faith held among us, as follows [That was worded very elegantly.]

I. Of The Scriptures We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men supernaturally; that it has truth without any admixture of error for its matter; and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the age, the only complete and final revelation of the will of God to man; the true center of Christian union and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds and opinions should be tried. [That is very good. Do you believe that the King James Bible is inspired/preserved and "all authority" as 2 Timothy 3:15-17, Titus 1:9, 2:15 states? These days you must be specific when you say "Bible", else you will be thrown in with the NIV/ESV/NASB users.]

1. By “The Holy Bible” we mean that the collection of sixty-six books, from Genesis to Revelation, which, as originally written does not only contain and convey the Word of God, but IS the very Word of God. [Oh I get it, you only believe in the "originals"! What about perfect preservation as taught in Joshua 1:8, Isaiah 30:8, 40:8, 55:10-11, 59:21, Psalms 12:6-7, 100:5, 117:2, 119:89-91, 119:160, 1 Peter 1:23-2:2, Matthew 5:17-18, 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33, John 6:63, 10:35, 17:17, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, and Ephesians 5:26-27.] 

2. By “inspiration” we mean that the books of the Bible were written by holy men of old, as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, in such a definite way that their writings were supernaturally and verbally inspired and free from error, as no other writings have ever been or ever will be inspired.  II Tim. 3:16, 17; II Pet. 1: 19-21; Acts 1: 16; Acts 28:25; Psa. 119:160; Psa.119:105; Psa. 119:130; Luke 24:25-27; John 17:17; Luke 24:44; Psa. 119:89; Prov. 30:5, 6; Rom. 3:4; I Pet. 1:2, 3; Rev. 22:19; John 12:48; Isa. 8:20; Eph. 6:17; Rom. 15:4; Luke 16:31; Psa. 19:7-11; John 5:45-47; John 5:39. 
[Do we have this today?]

II. Of The True God We believe that there is one, and only one, living and true God, an infinite intelligent Spirit, the maker and supreme ruler of heaven and earth; inexpressibly glorious in holiness and worthy of all possible honor, confidence and love; that in the unity of the Godhead there are three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, equal in every divine perfection, and executing distinct but harmonious offices in the great work of redemption.  Ex. 20:2, 3; Gen. 17:1; I Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6; John 4:24; Psa. 83:18; Psa 90:2; Jer. 10:10; Ex. 15:11; Rev. 4:11; I Tim. 1: 17; Rom. 11:33; Mark 12:30; Matt. 28:19; John 15:26; I Cor. 12: 4-6; I John 5:7; John 10:30; John 17: 5; Acts 5: 3,4; I Cor. 2:10, 11: Phil. 2:5, 6; Eph. 2:18; II Cor. 13:14. 
[That is great.]

III. Of The Holy Spirit That the Holy Spirit is a divine person; equal with God the Father and God the Son and of the same nature, that He was active in the creation; that in His relation to the unbelieving world He restrains the Evil one until God’s purpose is fulfilled; that He convicts of sin, of judgment and of righteousness; that He bears witness to the Truth of the Gospel in preaching and testimony; that He is the agent in the New Birth; that He seals, endues, guides, teaches, witnesses, sanctifies and helps the believer.  John 14:16, 17; Matt. 28:19; Heb 9:14; John 14:26; Luke 1:35; Gen. 1:1-3; II Thess. 2:7; John 16:8-11; John 15:26, 27: Acts 5:30-32; John 3:5, 6; Eph. 1:13, 14; Matt. 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:33; Acts 11:16; Luke 24:49; John 16:13; John 14:26; Rom. 8:14; Rom. 8:16; II Thess. 2:13; I Pet. 1:2; Rom. 8:26, 27. 
[Sounds good, but I am not sure what you mean by "in His relation to the unbelieving world He restrains the Evil one until God’s purpose is fulfilled".]

IV. Of The Fall Of Satan We believe that Satan was once holy, and enjoyed heavenly honors; but through pride and ambition to be as the Almighty, fell and drew after him a host of angels; that he is now the malignant prince of the power of the air, and the unholy god of this world.  We hold him to be man’s great tempter, the enemy of God and His Christ, the accuser of the saints, the author of all false religions, the chief power back of the present apostasy; the lord of the anti-Christ, and the author of all the powers of darkness-destined however to be finally defeated at the hands of God’s Son, and to the judgment of an eternal justice in hell, a place prepared for him and his angels.  Isa. 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:14-17; Rev. 12:9; Jude 6; II Pet. 2:4; Eph. 2:2; John 14:30; I Thess. 3:5; Matt. 4: 1-3; I Pet. 5:8; Zech. 1:3; I John 3:8; Matt. 13:25; Matt. 37:39; Luke 22:3, 4; Rev. 12:10; II Cor. 11:13-15; Mark 13:21-22; I John 4:3; II John 1:7; I John 2:22; Rev. 13:13, 14; II Thess. 2:8-11; Rev. 19:11;  16:20; Rev. 12:7-9; Rev. 20:1-3; Rev. 20:10; Matt. 25:41. 

V. Of The Creation We believe in the Genesis account of creation, and that it is to be accepted literally, and not allegorically or figuratively; that man was created directly in God’s own image and after His own likeness; that man’s creation was not a matter of evolution or evolutionary change of species, or development through interminable periods of time from lower to higher forms; that all animal and vegetable life was made directly, and God’s established law was- they should bring forth only “after their kind.”  Gen. 1:1; Ex. 20:11; Acts 4:24; Col. 1:16, 17; Heb. 11:3; John 1:3; Rev. 10:6; Rom. 1:20; Acts 17:23-26; Jer. 10:12; Neh. 9:6; Gen. 1:26, 27; Gen. 2:21-23; Gen. 1:11; Gen. 1:24. 

VI. Of The Fall Of Man We believe that man was created in innocence under the law of his Maker, but by voluntary transgression fell from his sinless and happy state, in consequence of which, all mankind are now sinners, not by constraint, but of choice; and therefore under just condemnation without defense or excuse.  Gen. 3:1-6, 24; Rom. 5:12; Rom. 5:19; Rom. 3:10-19; Eph. 2:1, 3; Rom. 1:18; Ezek. 18:19, 20; Rom. 1:32; Rom. 1:20; Rom. 1:28; Gal. 3:22. 

VII. Of The Virgin Birth We believe that Jesus Christ was begotten of the Holy Ghost in a miraculous manner; born of Mary, a virgin, as no other man was ever born or can ever be born of woman, and that He is born the Son of God, and God, the Son.  Gen. 3:15; Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:35; Mark 1:1; John 1:14; Psa. 2:7; Gal. 4:4; I John 5:20; I Cor. 15:47.

VIII. Of The Atonement For Sin We believe that salvation of sinners is wholly of grace; through the mediatorial offices of the Son of God, who by appointment of the Father, freely took upon Him our nature, yet without sin, honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and by His death made full and vicarious atonement for our sins; that His atonement consisted not in setting us an example by His death as a martyr, but was the voluntary substitution of Himself in the sinner’s place, the Just dying for the unjust, Christ, the Lord, bearing our sins in His own body on the tree; that, having risen from the dead, He is now enthroned in heaven and united in His wonderful person the tenderest sympathies with divine perfection.  He is every way qualified to be a suitable, a compassionate and an all-sufficient Saviour.  Eph. 2:8; Acts 15:11; Rom. 3:24; John 3:16; Matt. 18:11; Phil. 2:7; Heb. 2:14; Isa. 53:4-7; Rom. 3:25; I John 4:10; I Cor. 15:3; II Cor. 5:21; John 10:18: Phil. 2:8; Gal.1:4; I Pet. 2:24; I Pet. 3:18: Isa. 53:11: Heb. 12:2; I Cor. 15:20; Isa. 53:12; Heb. 9:12-15; Heb. 7:25; I John 2:2. 
[I have serious problems with this. You say that Jesus took on our "nature"? That is a problem because "by nature" we are the children of wrath and wicked sinners (Eph. 2:3). You cannot take on human nature without sin. Jesus was "God...manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16) not God manifest with a human nature, only a human body. Other than that, it sounds good.]

IX. Of Grace In The New Creation We believe that in order to be saved, sinners must be born again; that the new birth is a creation in Christ Jesus; that it is instantaneous and not a process; that in the new birth the one dead in trespasses and in sins is made a partaker of the divine nature and receives eternal life, the free gift of God; that the new creation is brought about in a manner above our comprehension not by culture, not by character, nor by the will of man but wholly and solely by the power of the Holy Spirit in connection with divine truth, so as to secure our voluntary obedience to the gospel;  that its proper evidence appears in the holy fruits of repentance and faith and newness of life. John 3:3; II Cor. 5:17; Luke 5:27,28; I John 5:1; John 3:6-7; Acts 2:41; Acts 16:30-33; II Pet. 1:4; Rom. 6:23; Eph. 2:1; II Cor. 5:19; Col. 2:13; John 3:8; John 1:12-13; Gal. 5:22; Eph. 5:9.
[Israel must be born again as stated in Isa. 66:8 and the new birth pertains to Israel according to the words of Christ (John 3:10). Under Grace, the revelations that Christ made known to the apostle Paul make it clear that we are not "born again", we are "adopted" (Rom. 8:15, Gal. 4:5, Eph. 1:5). Israel was born of God in the Old Testament (Exod. 4:22) and will be born again with their sins remitted at the Second Coming of Christ (Isa. 60:8, Matt. 19:28-29, Acts 3:19-21, 1 Pet. 1:5-9, etc.). The "born again" doctrine is mainly for Israel as found in the Old Testament, the Gospels, and the Hebrew epistles. I suppose application could be made to the Body of Christ under Grace. However, being "born again" is not something you can stress for Gentiles under Grace, we are "adopted".]     

X. Of The Freeness Of Salvation We believe in God’s electing grace; that the blessings of salvation are made free to all by the gospel; that it is the immediate duty of all to accept them by a cordial, penitent and obedient faith; and that nothing prevents the salvation of the greatest sinner on earth but their own inherent depravity and voluntary rejection of the gospel; which rejection involves him in an aggravated condemnation.  I Thess. 1:4; Col. 3:12; I Pet. 1:2; Titus 1:1; Rom. 8:29, 30: Matt. 11:28; Isa. 55:1; Rev. 22:17; Rom. 10:13; John 6:37; Isa. 55:6; Acts 2:38; Isa. 55:7; John 3:15, 16; I Tim. 1:15: I Cor. 15:10; Eph. 2:4, 5: John 5:40; John 3:18; John 3:36. 
[Sure, though "penitent" is not the word I would use. Too close to Catholic penance. Also, "obedient faith" should be clarified. It it true that under Grace we must "obey" the Gospel BY BELIEVING it (Rom. 10:16), but we do not have to continue in obedience to be saved. That would be works salvation.]

XI. Of Justification We believe that the great gospel blessing which Christ secures to such as believe in Him is Justification; that justification includes the pardon of sin, and the gift of eternal life on principles of righteousness; that it is bestowed not in consideration of any works of righteousness which we have done; but solely through faith in the Redeemer’s blood His righteousness is imputed unto us.  Acts 13:39; Isa. 53:11; Zech. 13:1; Rom. 8:1; Rom. 5:9; Rom. 5:1; Titus 3:5-7; Rom. 1:17; Hab. 2:4; Gal. 3:11; Rom. 4:1-8; Heb. 10:38. 

XII. Of Repentance And Faith We believe that Repentance and Faith are solemn obligations, and also inseparable graces wrought in our souls by the quickening Spirit of God; thereby, being deeply convicted of our guilt, danger and helplessness, and of the way of salvation by Christ, we turn to God with unfeigned contrition, confession and supplication for mercy; at the same time heartily receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and openly confessing Him as our only and all-sufficient Saviour.  Acts 20:21; Mark 1:15; Acts 2:37, 38; Luke 18:13; Rom. 10:13; Psa. 51:1-4; Psa 51:7; Isa. 55:6, 7; Luke 12:8; Rom. 10:9-11.
[That is a "damnable heresy" (2 Pet. 2:1). It sounds like a mixture of Calvinism and Catholicism. First you say that repentance and faith are "wrought in our souls by the quickening Spirit of God", meaning that the Holy Spirit indwells a person and then makes him/her believe and repent. That is wrong, you believe on Christ and THEN the Holy Spirit comes (Eph. 1:13, Gal. 3:2-3). Then you gave a false gospel, "we turn to God with unfeigned contrition, confession and supplication for mercy; at the same time heartily receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and openly confessing Him". That is works salvation! "unfeigned..confession...openly confessing Him"? We call upon the name of the Lord in our heart (Rom. 10:1-13), but that has nothing to do with OPENLY confessing Christ. The context of Romans 10 is saying something with the mouth of your heart, not open confession. You can believe on Christ and be saved without openly confessing Christ: Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue... I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. (John 12:42, 46) I also see that Acts 2:38 was put in the list of references. Acts 2:38 is about Israel and the last days (Acts 1:6-7, 2:16-21). Peter specifically said "Ye men of Judaea..Ye men of Israel..Therefore let all the house of Israel know" (Acts 2:14, 22, 36). Under Grace we receive the Holy Spirit WITHOUT works (Acts 10, Gal. 3:1-3, Eph. 1:13).]    

XIII. Of The Church We believe that a church of Christ is a congregation of baptized believers associated by a covenant of faith and fellowship of the gospel; observing the ordinances of Christ; governing by His laws; and exercising the gifts, rights and privileges invested in them by His Word; that its officers of ordination are pastors, elders and deacons, whose qualifications, claims and duties are clearly defined in the Scriptures.  We believe the true mission of the church is found in the Great Commission:  First, to make individual disciples; Second, to build up the church; Third, to teach and instruct, as He has commanded.  We do not believe in the reversal of this order; we hold that the local church has the absolute right of self government, free from the interference of any hierarchy of individuals or organizations; and that the one and only superintendent is Christ through the Holy Spirit; that it is scriptural for true churches to cooperate with each other in contending for the faith and for the furtherance of the gospel; that every church is the sole and only judge of the measure and the method of its cooperation; on all matters of membership, of policy, of government, of discipline, of benevolence, the will of the local church is final.  Acts 2:41; Acts 2:42; I Cor. 11:2; Eph. 1:22, 23; Eph. 4:11; I Cor. 12:4, 8-11; Acts 14:23;  Acts 6:5, 6; Acts 15:23; Acts 20:17-28; I Tim. 3:1-7; I Tim. 3:8-13; Matt. 28: 19, 20; Col. 1:18; Eph. 5:23, 24; I Pet. 5:1-4; Acts 15:22; Jude 3-4; II Cor. 8:23, 24; I Cor. 16:1; Mal. 3:10; Lev. 27:32; I Cor. 16:2; I Cor. 6:1-3; I Cor. 5:11-13. 
[In regards to the non-existent "great commission" 
 The "Great Commission Exposed" 

In regards to the "ordinances"
What are "the ordinances" of the Church?  ] 

XIV. Of Baptism And The Lord’s Supper We believe that Christian baptism is the immersion in water of a believer; in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; with the authority of the local church to show forth in a solemn and beautiful emblem of our faith in the crucified, buried and risen Saviour, symbolic of our death to sin and resurrection to a new life, that is  a pre-requisite to the privileges of a church relation and to the Lord’s supper; in which the members of the church, by the sacred use of bread and wine are to commemorate together the dying love of Christ; preceded always by solemn self-examination.  Acts 8:36-39; Matt.3:6; John 3:23; Rom. 6:4, 5; Matt. 3:16; Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:3-5; Col. 2:12; Acts 2:41, 42; Matt. 28:19, 20; I Cor. 11:23-28. 
[For the Lord's supper, see What are "the ordinances" of the Church?  

Your statement on water baptism is most disturbing. Romans 6:3-5 and Colossians 2:12 are both about how to be "complete in Christ" (Col. 2:10) and being dead with Christ from sin (Rom. 6:1-8). Water baptism is NOWHERE in these passages, the verses say "baptized INTO JESUS CHRIST", NOT WATER. Water does not put you into Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit does. Which is why Colossians 2:12 says "through the faith of the operation of God" and 1 Corinthians 12:13 and 12:18 say "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit....But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him."]

XV. Of The Perseverance Of The Saints We believe that such only are real believers as endure unto the end; that their persevering attachment to Christ is the grand mark which distinguishes them from superficial professors; that a special Providence watches over their welfare; and that they are kept by the power of God through faith unto eternal salvation.  John 8:31, 32; Col. 1:21, 23; I John 2:19; Matt. 13:19-21; Rom. 8:23; Matt. 6:30; Psa. 121:3; Heb. 1:14; I Pet. 1:5; Phil. 1:6; John 10:28; John 10:29; John 16:8; Rom. 8:35-39. 
[That is a heretical false gospel. Under Grace we believe the "gospel of the grace of God" which is not of works (Acts 20:24, Eph. 2:8-9). The gospel that says "endure unto the end" is the "gospel of the kingdom" that will be preached by Jews in the Time of Jacob's Trouble (Matt. 24:13-14). 

Is the Gospel of the Kingdom the same thing as the Gospel of the Grace of God?

Was John's baptism different from Peter's?

We do not have to "endure to the end" to be saved under GRACE (Rom. 11:6, Titus 3:4-7).]

XVI. Of The Righteous And The Wicked We believe that there is a radical and essential difference between the righteous and the wicked; that such only as through faith are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and sanctified by the Spirit of our God, are truly righteous in His esteem; while all such as continue in impenitence and unbelief are in His sight wicked, and under the curse and this distinction holds among men both in and after death, in the everlasting felicity of the saved and the everlasting conscious suffering of the lost.  Mal. 3:18; Gen. 18:23; Rom. 6:17, 18; Prov. 11:31; I Pet. 4:18; Rom. 1:17; I Cor. 15:22: Acts 10:34, 35; I John 2:29; I John 3:7; Rom. 6:16; I John 5:19; Gal. 3:10; Rom. 7:6; Rom. 6:23; Prov. 14:32; Luke 16:25; Matt. 25:34, 41; John 8:21; Luke 9: 26; John 12:25; Matt 7:13, 14. [Agreed.]

XVII. Of Civil Government We believe that civil government is of divine appointment, for the interest and good order of human society; that the magistrates are to be prayed for, conscientiously honored and obeyed; except only in things opposed to the will of our Lord Jesus Christ; who is the only Lord of the conscience, and the coming Prince of the King’s of the earth.  Rom.13:17; II Sam. 23:3; Ex. 18:21; Acts 23:5; Matt. 22:21; Titus 3:1; I Pet. 2:13, 14; I Pet 2:17; Acts 5:29; Acts 4:19, 20; Dan. 3:17, 18; Matt. 10:28; Matt. 23:10; Rev. 10:6; Phil. 2:10, 11; Psa 72:11. [Agreed.]

XVIII. Of The Resurrection And The Return Of Christ and Related Events We believe in and accept the sacred Scriptures upon these subjects at their face and full value.  Of the Resurrection, we believe that Christ rose bodily “the third day according to the Scriptures;” that He ascended “to the right hand of the throne of God;”  “That this same Jesus which was taken up from you into heaven shall so come in like manner as you have seen Him go into heaven…” bodily, personally and visibly; that the “dead in Christ shall rise first;” that the living saints “shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump;” “that the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His Father David;” and that “Christ shall reign a thousand years in righteousness until He hath put all enemies under His feet.”  Matt. 28:6, 7; Luke 24:39; John 20:27; I Cor. 15:4; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:2, 4-6; Acts 1:9; Acts 1:11; Luke 24:51; Mark 16:19; Rev. 3:21; Heb. 8:1; Heb. 12:2; Heb. 8:6; I Tim. 2:5; I John 2:1; Heb. 2:17; Heb. 5:9, 10; John 14:3; Acts 1:11; I Thess. 4:16; Matt. 25:13; Jas. 5:8; Mat. 24:42; Heb. 9:28; I Cor. 15:42-44; I Cor. 15:51-53; I Thess. 4:17; Phil. 3:20, 21; Luke 1:32; Isa. 9:6, 7; I Cor. 15:25; Isa. 32:1; Isa. 11:4, 5; Psa. 72:8; Rev. 20:1-4; Rev. 20:6. 
[Are you referring to the rapture of the Body of Christ which is pre-wrath (better known as "pre-trib) as found in 1 Thes. 1:10 and the Pauline epistles or the post wrath rapture of Jewish believers as found in Matthew 24 and Luke 21?]

XIX.  Of Missions The command to give the gospel to the world is clear and unmistakable and this commission was given to the churches.

Matt. 28:18-20, “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:  and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.  Amen.”

Mark 16:15, “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

John 20:21, “…as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.”

Acts 1:8, “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Rom. 10:13-15, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?  and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?  And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!”

XX.   Of The Grace Of Giving Scriptural giving is one of the fundamentals of the Faith.

II Cor. 8:7, “Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.”

We are commanded to bring our gifts into the storehouse (common treasury of the church) upon the first day of the week.
[Actually, NO we aren't. You are lying. Malachi 3 is referring to Israel giving animals and money to the Levites in the TEMPLE, not any "local church". Read Malachi 3 please, then come back.] 

I Cor. 16:2, “Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”   
[1 Cor. 16:2 has nothing to do with us giving money to the local church on the first day of the week. The context of 1 Cor. 16:2 is the believers giving money to Paul on ONE day (not repeated every week) so that he can take it to the poor saints in Jerusalem...

1 Corinthians 16:
[1] Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
[2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
[3] And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem

This was a SPECIFIC EVENT, Paul did not say "every first day of the week", he just said "the first day of the week". Under Grace we give not out of commandment or of necessity.

2 Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

We give if we want to or if we purpose in our heart to. Nobody can command us to give under Grace nor is any certain amount expected or required.]

Under grace we give, and do not pay, the tithe- “…Abraham gave a tenth part of all…” “…Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.” Heb. 7:2, 4
[What? We give a tithe but don't pay it? That makes no sense. And by the way, just because you used the phrase "under grace" does not make you dispensational. What does Abraham giving a tenth of his spoils to Melchezidek have to do with believers under Grace?]

And this was four hundred years before the law, and is confirmed in the New Testament; Jesus said, concerning the tithe, “…these ought ye to have done…” Matt. 23:23.
[Circumcision, dietary laws, and animal sacrifices were MORE than four hundred years before the Law was given, so should we do those too? Have you actually read Matthew 23:23? It is addressed to "you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" What does this have to do with believers under Grace?]

We are commanded to bring the tithe into the common treasury of the church.      Lev. 27:30. The tithe is the Lord’s. Mal. 3:10, “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”
[Where the heck is a "common treasury of the church" mentioned in the Bible? Why are the verses you cited all Old Testament Law verses that are talking to Israel about the Temple? Is Malachi 3:10 the only verse in Malachi that you know?

Malachi 3:
[1] Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to this temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
[2] But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
[3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
[4] Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.
[5] And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
[7] Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
[8] Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
[9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
[10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it

Under Grace our body is the temple, we are not bringing offerings to the sons of Levi, and we are not the sons of Jacob. Come to think of it, we cannot even be cursed by the Law under Grace.
Galatians 3:
[12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith
We are NOT under the law, we are under grace:
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.]

In the New Testament it was the common treasury of the church. Acts 4:34, 35, 37, “…and brought the prices of the things there were sold, And laid them down at the apostles’ feet…Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet."
[Under the Gospel of the Kingdom it was required that you sell all of your possessions: 

Under Grace, it would be wrong to sell all as seen by the Scriptures in the link. 

Secondly, you and your Baptist buddies are not apostles, so nobody is expected to lay anything at your feet. Nobody is obligated to give you anything.

By the way, you see in Acts chapter 5 that the commandment to sell all was punishable by death if disobeyed. I am glad that it has nothing to do with the Dispensation of Grace.  

Here are twenty points on "tithing" from Pastor David O'Steen:

"1. The English word "tithe" means a tenth (compare Gen. 14:20 with Heb. 7:4). Most churches preach tithing as a means of supporting their ministry. There are variations in how they teach this is to be done. Some pay the local church one tenth of their income after taxes and bills are paid; some pay before. Others demand tithing on unemployment, inheritance, gifts, tax refunds, social security and even gambling winnings. The tithing issue has caused a great deal of strife and division in our churches over the years. 

2. Perhaps the most well known passage on tithing is Malachi 3:8-12. This passage is the proof text for "Storehouse Tithing." Simply stated, the congregation is exhorted to channel all of their giving through the local church (storehouse). If they want to give to a Christian organization, radio or television broadcast, etc., it must go through their denominational machinery in order for the local church to get "credit." Also the pastor and elders often must make the determination if the cause supported by the giver is "worthy." 

3. This use of the Malachi passage is a good example of Scripture being taken out of its historical and dispensational context. "This whole nation" in verse 9 is the backslidden nation of Israel, NOT the present day church (Mal. 1:1; 3:6). They were under the law of Moses as a system of conditional blessing (obey=blessed; disobey=cursed). The blessings of keeping the law had to do with Israel's LAND (3:11-12). Believers today are not under the law but under grace (Rom. 6:14; 7:4-6). As such we have already been blessed by God with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ (Eph.1:3). 

4. This should put an end to the common charge that believers who don't tithe are "robbing God" and will be "cursed with a curse." God did not command us to tithe so how could we be robbing Him by not doing what He never told us to do? We cannot be cursed by the law for not tithing (Mal. 3:9) as members of the body of Christ (Gal. 3:13). The storehouse mentioned in verse 10 is not a local church but a storage bin or silo in the Jewish temple where the grain from the Hebrew's tithes was stored (2 Chron. 31:4-12). 

5. Under the law only agricultural products were tithed. They included grain, fruit, and livestock. Only products produced within the boundaries of the land of Israel were to be tithed (Lev. 27:30-34). 

6. Others exempt from the tithing law included the hired hands, fishermen, miners, lumber workers, construction workers, soldiers, weavers, potters, manufacturers, merchants, government workers, and priests. In short, all who were not farmers were exempt. 

7. A farmer with only 9 cattle did not tithe because the law specified the "tenth which passeth under the rod." Likewise a farmer with 19 sheep paid only 1 sheep to the Lord's tithe. 

8. The Jewish farmers in the land could redeem (buy back) the tithes of their crops with a penalty of one fifth. In other words, if a farmer wanted to keep his tithe of grain worth $1,000, he could pay the cash equivalent of $1,200 (Lev. 27:31). 

9. Livestock could not be brought back nor could the farmer exchange a good animal for a bad one or vice versa. Any attempt to substitute any other animal other than the tenth which passed under the rod would be penalized by the farmer forfeiting both the tenth and its substitute (Lev. 27:33). 

10. God ordained the Levites to be the ones to whom the tithe was paid (Num. 18:21). They were one of the 12 tribes of Israel to whom no inheritance was given in the land. The Lord Himself and the tithes of the children of Israel was their inheritance. It was used for the service of the tabernacle (later the temple) (Num. 18:20-28). 

11. It was unlawful for anyone outside of the tribe of Levi to receive the tithe, such as prophets, preachers, kings or evangelists. 

12. The Levites paid one tenth of their tithes to the high priest. Not all Levites were priests but only the sons of Aaron. The priests did not tithe. 

13. The Lord Jesus Christ did not ask for or receive a tithe for support of His ministry. Being of the tribe of Judah (not Levi) He could not without breaking the law (Heb. 7:14; Rev. 5:5). 

14. Neither Peter (not of the tribe of Levi) nor Paul (of the tribe of Benjamin) could receive tithes for the support of their ministries. 

15. Even the Jews do not practice tithing today because there are no Levites, priests, or temple worship in Jerusalem. Jewish rabbis know biblical law well enough to know that tithing under the present circumstances is unlawful. According to them, when the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem with a consecrated altar with priests and Levites officiating, all Jews living within the biblical tithing zones will tithe. 

16. Those that teach tithing is binding on believers today use the argument that it predates Moses and the law. But this reasoning is not valid, for the Sabbath also predates the giving of the law (Ex.16:23-29) and yet it is not binding on God's people today (Rom. 14:5-6; Gal. 4:9-10; Col. 2:16-17). 

17. Abraham gave tithes to Melchisedec, king of Salem, but this was the spoils of war, not the legalistic tithe of the land which Moses commanded. Also, God did not command the tithe, Abraham chose to give it of his own free will (Gen. 14:17-23; Heb. 7:1-10). 

18. The only other scriptural reference to tithing before Moses is Jacob. Again there is no command to tithe. In fact Jacob puts up numerous conditions to be met before he will pay the tithe to the Lord (Gen. 28:20-22). 

19. The biblical references which address the tithing issues are: Gen. 14:20; 28:22; Lev. 27:30-32; Num. 18:20-32; Deut. 12:6-7, 11-12, 17; 14:22-23,28-29; 26:12-15; 2 Chron. 31:1-12; Amos 4:4-5; Mal. 3:8-12; Matt. 23:23; Lk. 11:42; 18:12; Heb. 7:5-10.

20. Paul the apostle to the Gentiles for this present dispensation of Grace does not mention tithing but says a great deal about grace giving (Rom. 15:25,26; 1 Cor. 9:7-14; 16:1-3; 2 Cor. 8 & 9; Gal. 6:6-10; Phil. 4:10-19; 1 Tim.  5:9-18). " --Pastor David O'Steen

We cannot be cursed by the Law, it is an utter impossibility.....

Galatians 3:
[12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith
We are NOT under the law, we are under grace:
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace

--Eli Caldwell

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