[14] Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
[15] For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
[16] For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
[17] For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
[18] While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
[1] For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
[2] For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
[3] If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
[4] For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
[5] Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
[6] Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
[7] (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
I am beginning to think that no Post-Tribber believes 2 Corinthians 4:14-5:8.
Post-Tribbers do not believe that the Body of Christ experiences "light affliction", they believe we will face "affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be." (Mark 13:19)
Post-Tribbers do look at the things which are seen and they walk by sight and not by faith because they are looking for the dozen or more signs given by Christ in Matthew 24:3-12. They will not look for Christ until these signs begin to come to pass (Luke 21:28). Meanwhile Paul was looking for Christ to come in Titus 2:13.
Many people quote 2 Cor. 5:7 as a daily devotional kind of verse, but that statement is actually a doctrinal point contextually referring to the rapture of the Body of Christ.
There are many verses that prove a "Post Trib" rapture:
- Ezekiel 11:16-20, 20:33-38, 28:25-26, 34:1-31, 36:16-38, 37:1-14, 37:21-28, 39:23-29
- Jeremiah 23:1-8, 30:1-31:9, 31:31-34, 32:36-42, 33:1-18, 50:18-20
- Isaiah 10:20-23, 26:19, 51:11, 54:5-9
- Micah 2:12, Hos. 1:11, etc.
Of course when you tell the Post-Tribber brethren these things they will start shouting "Hyper dispensationalism!", "you follow Darby who invented the Pre-Trib rapture in the 1830's!", etc. But they will never answer these questions....
1.) How could the Body of Christ go into Daniel's 70th Week when the gospel that is preached during that time is "the gospel of the kingdom" (Matt. 24:13-14) and not the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24, 1 Cor. 15:1-4)??? And please, don't tell me that those gospels are the same thing because we both know that they are not (Matt. 16:21-23, Mark 9:9-10, 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45, Luke 18:31-34, John 20:6-10). The gospel of the kingdom requires works by the way...
2.) Why do you call Daniel's 70th Week "the tribulation"? Is it ever called that in the Bible? Wouldn't it be just as Biblical to call it "the wrath"? (Compare Luke 21:21-23 with Matt. 24:16-21)
3.) Why did Paul call the rapture he looked for a "mystery" given to him "by the word of the Lord" (1 Cor. 15:51, 1 Thes. 4:15) if he was preaching the same ol rapture spoken by the prophets since the world began? (in contrast to the mystery of the Body of Christ which was kept secret since the world began)
4.) If it is okay for the the Body of Christ to go into Daniel's 70th Week, why did God stop the clock at the 69th Week before He started the Body of Christ? Why didn't He just let the prophetic clock keep on moving???
5.) The overcomers of Daniel's 70th Week sing the song of Moses (Rev. 15:3) which is a song involving the Jews being punished by God's anger and them being scattered among the nations (Deut. 32:21-26). The song goes on to talk about how God will be merciful to the land of Israel (Deut. 32:43-45). The song plainly states that it is about Israel (Deut. 32:45), so why would we believe that Daniel's 70th Week is about the Body of Christ? (the replacement theology crowd can't swallow this, but believe it or not the Body of Christ is not Israel--1 Cor. 10:32, 12:13, Gal. 3:28., Eph. 2:14-16, 3:1-9, etc.)
We must rightly divide the word of truth on this matter (2 Tim. 2:15). This is not just a simple issue of when the rapture occurs, if that were all it was I would not care as much. But this is a gospel issue, a doctrinal issue, that needs to be understood. A different gospel is preached in the time of Jacob's trouble and if you believe that you will be in that time then you will eventually get messed up on what the gospel is. Notice how Post-Tribbers will say that the gospel of the kingdom is the same as the gospel of the grace of God even though they have read Matt. 16:21-23, Mark 9:9-10, 9:31-32, Luke 9:44-45, Luke 18:31-34, and John 20:6-10 where the word of God plainly says that Christ and His 12 apostles were not preaching the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as the gospel. The 12 apostles did not understand that and it was hid from them. In the present dispensation if that message is "hid" from you then you are lost! (1 Cor. 1:17-18, 2:2, 15:1-4, 2 Cor. 4:3)
--Eli Caldwell
Daniel's 70th week is about Jesus.
ReplyDeleteJohn 5:39 ¶ Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
(Daniel 9:24) "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression, = Does the Antichrist “finish the transgression?” Of course not.
and to make an end of sins, = Can it be said that the Beast is the one who will “make an end of sins?” Obviously not.
See below Hebrews 9:24-26. To make an end of / put away sins.
and to make reconciliation for iniquity, = Does the Son of Perdition “make reconciliation for iniquity?” The answer is self-evident.
(2 Corinthians 5:19) "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
and to bring in everlasting righteousness, = Will the beast bring in "everlasting righteousness?" Do I even need to answer that?
and to seal up the vision and prophecy, = Does the wicked one “seal up the vision and prophecy?” He does not.
and to anoint the most Holy. = And does the Antichrist “anoint the most holy?” Of course not.
In the second & last point "and to anoint the most Holy" consider that Jesus fulfilled this completely.
(Hebrews 9:24-26) "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: {25} Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; {26} For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."
(Acts 10:38) "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him."
Oh yes, you're very smart. I never realized that Daniel's 70th Week was about Jesus.
DeleteJust based on what you have said, I would assume that you are an anti-dispensational Amillennialist that believes all of Daniel's 70th Week has been fulfilled in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ when He ascended to Heaven. I don't know you, but that is my guess. Correct me immediately if I am wrong.
Daniel 9:25-26 says "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks...And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself". Well 7 weeks plus 60+2 weeks is 69 Weeks. Not 70. You are still missing one buddy. And that 70th Week occurs right before the coming of the Lord and the end of the world according to Matthew chapter 24 verses 3 and 15.
You conveniently left out Daniel 9:27, which is talking about the exact opposite of Christ, it is about the Wicked one, also known as the antichrist. (it is also the passage Christ quotes in Matt. 24:15)
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
It may do you some good to look at the scores and scores of references to believers of the Gospel of the Kingdom having their sins blotted out at the Second Coming of Christ when He establishes the Kingdom on the Earth. There are so many scriptures on believing Israel having their sins taken away at the Second Coming, some of them are listed here:
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/when-will-israel-have-her-sins-blotted.html
But there are many more in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, a lot of the "minor prophets", and I recall Deuteronomy as well.
That is why Daniel 9 requires all "seventy weeks" "to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness". The method of how Israel will be saved (the cross) was accomplished in week 69, but they do not obtain the redemption until Christ comes (Acts 3:19-21, Rom. 11:26-27, 1 Pet. 1:5-10, etc)
Of course, we Gentiles live in the mystery Dispensation of Grace (not in Daniel's prophetic 70 weeks) and we receive the atonement instantly and presently and are made members of the Body of Christ when we trust Him with faith in His blood (Eph. 1:13, Rom. 3:19-27, 4:5, 5:1, 1 Cor. 15:1-4).
Are you saved? (1 Cor. 15:1-4, Acts 13:38-39, 16:30-31, Rom. 3:19-27, Eph. 1:7, 1:13, 2:8-9).
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/p/salvation.html
You seem pretty upset and contentious there, Jesus can help you with that! To answer your question though, I know nothing about those pidgin holed terminologies that you reference. I do however, simply just believe the bible;
Delete(Acts 16:30-31) "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? {31} And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
And yes that means ALL scripture;
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
So, it seems that Gods Word needs to be restated here!
John 5:39 ¶ Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
So you see God didn't leave anything out.
(Daniel 9:27) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
27 And he shall confirm the covenant
Who is the covenant? Who is the He? He is a pronoun that requires an antecedent. See also Daniel 9:24 and note.
he shall confirm the covenant--Christ. The confirmation of the covenant is assigned to Him also elsewhere. Isa_42:6, "I will give thee for a covenant of the people" (that is, He in whom the covenant between Israel and God is personally expressed); compare Luk_22:20, "The new testament in My blood"; Mal_3:1, "the angel of the covenant"; Jer_31:31-34, describes the Messianic covenant in full.
The New Testament writers recognized this as the Apostle Paul explicitly wrote on the subject when he stated "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after...."
(Galatians 3:17) "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect."
Through this confirmation, we learn that Christ is the heir of all the promises. He is the Seed of Abraham upon whom the blessings are bestowed, and He is the only one who "brings in everlasting righteousness." (Daniel 9:2).
with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(Matthew 24:15) "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
So you come to a blog post about a dispensationalism and try to correct the author, then when I reply you accuse me of being contentious? You came here commenting disagreeing, so how am I the one that is contentious? Sounds more like you are the one who is upset.
DeleteYour quotations of Acts 16:30-31, John 5:39, and 2 Tim. 3:16 make no sense in this context. Who is questioning the Bible's inspiration? What does Acts 16:30-31 have to do with inspiration, that looks more like a salvation verse to me.
Who said that God left something out? Left something out of what?
What does the Law covenant in Galatians 3:17 have to do with this discussion?
Daniel 9:26-27 says that a prince will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary "and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined." If you think this prince is the Lord, then you are literally confusing Christ with antichrist. Read Matthew 24:15 and the whole chapter and see if it sounds like Christ's covenant and a good godly thing.
Have a nice day
I almost forgot this, concerning Matthew 24:15;
DeleteDaniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Would you like to discuss how God interprets what the abomination is? Remember; " Do not interpretations belong to God? "
Genesis 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.
Here is an example of God's interpretation;
(Proverbs 6:16-19) "¶ These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: {17} A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, {18} An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, {19} A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Or here;
Proverbs 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Deuteronomy 29:4 Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
DeleteYou think the abomination in Daniel and Matthew 24 is a proud heart and the sins mentioned in Proverbs 6? You may want to check the CONTEXT of Daniel rather than just cherry picking through Genesis-Revelation to find the word abomination. (like you did with the words "covenant", "confirm", "anoint", etc.)
DeleteAccording to Matthew 24:15 the abomination of desolation is going to stand in the holy place. Daniel and 2 Thessalonians say that this is a person standing there in the temple, not a sin. Have you ever read 2 Thessalonians 2:4 about the Man of Sin sitting in the temple declaring himself to be God? "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
Are you saved? What do you believe the gospel is and how do you receive it?
To answer your question; "Are you saved? What do you believe the gospel is and how do you receive it?"
ReplyDelete(Acts 16:30-32) "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? {31} And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. {32} And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house."
(Romans 10:17) "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
(John 1:1) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
And since I don't see you discussing the Word and how God interprets His Word (do not interpretations belong to God? - Gen. 40:8) , I dont know how this conversation can be any more productive. So I will only continue if you can humble yourself and discuss the Word! I like talking about God but only to non-contentious people.
Well then I am going to assume that you aren't saved, because the gospel is "how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" (1 Cor. 15:1-4). You receive that gospel by believing it, trusting Christ who died for your sins (Rom. 1:16, 3:19-27, 4:1-5:1, Eph. 1:7, 1:13, 2:8-9, Acts 13:38-39, Gal. 6:14, 1 Cor. 1:17-21, 2:2). That is not what you told me the gospel is, so I assume you are not saved, but I hope that is not the case.
DeleteThe Word in John 1:1 is Jesus Christ, it is not referring to His spoken word (the Bible). Of course, the spoken word of God is eternal as well (Ps. 119:89, 119:160). I am not sure why you are quoting it, because John 1:1 is not the gospel message. Someone could believe John 1:1 and go to hell like a bullet if they have never trusted what the Word did in His death, burial, and resurrection (1 Cor. 2:2, 15:1-4). Simply acknowledging that Jesus Christ is God does not save a person.
"Conversation"? Who had a conversation? All I saw from you was incoherent quotations of verses that have nothing to do with the 70th Week of Daniel or the raptures.
So I am contentious? You came to a blog on dispensationalism and specifically came to a post that you disagreed with and tried to argue with or refute what I said I believed. That makes you the contentious one friend, not me.
And actually, a friend of mine saw your comments and told me that you are a very arrogant sounding person. I agree--you seem to think that you are the authority. (you also seem to think that just because you quote Gen. 40:8 that this makes your "interpretation" correct.)
Do yourself a favor, don't "interpret" anything in the Bible, just believe it "as it is written" without trying to allegorize it.
I hope you trust Christ and His shed blood for salvation! He's coming soon and you don't want to get left behind!
And I can see from all that that you don't know Christ. Can you answer these biblical questions?
Delete(Isaiah 40:18-21) "¶ To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him? {19} The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains. {20} He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved. {21} Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?"
(Matthew 16:13) "¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?"
(Isaiah 40:25) "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One."
Until you find out who Jesus Christ is it is apparent that you will not understand anything else.
Dan 9:27 says "27 And he shall confirm the covenant"
DeleteYou say that that is the antichrist were as I say its about Jesus. So, it stands to reason that we should discuss who Jesus is. This is why I gave you those biblical questions. The fact that you prefer mans words over God's incoherent scripture suggests something. I will leave you too that though. You will have to answer to God as to why you don't believe Him.
Wow, you make me want to vomit. Obviously you have accused me of being unsaved just because you got mad at me for saying it about you, else you would have told me before now. What did I say that made you think that I am unsaved? I gave you the gospel because you couldn't tell me what it is. How that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day (1 Cor. 1:17-21, 2:2, 15:1-4, Gal. 6:14).
DeleteCan I answer those Biblical questions that have nothing to do with what we are talking about? The point to those questions in Isaiah 40 is to say that God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary. There is no searching of his understanding. (vs 28)
Now what does that have to do with what we are talking about? What does Matthew 16:13 and Isaiah 40:25 have to do with what we are talking about? Absolutely nothing.
I know who Christ is, the SAVIOUR of the world that died for my sins, that loved me and gave Himself for me (Gal. 2:20, John 1:29, 1 John 4:14, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Cor. 15:1-4). If you believe in Him with faith in His blood you can be saved too...
Romans 3:
[20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
[21] But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[22] Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[26] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
I prefer man's words over God's words? You are the one that just said "I say its about Jesus." So I guess because YOU say that Christ is the abomination of desolation that I should believe that too? I am going to stick with the WORD OF GOD which says that the abomination of desolation that will stand in the temple is the Man of Sin (Matt. 24:15, Mark 13:14, 2 Thes. 2:3-4).
You need to study Daniel 11, which is about the Man of Sin, where he deceives the people of Israel and makes a league with them (particularly vs 16-40). When you are trying to know what the covenant is in Daniel, it would help if you actually read Daniel rather than hop skip and jump to Romans and Galatians to try and allegorize the passage.
By the way, I never said that the Bible was incoherent (and you know I didn't), I said that your stupid cherry picking of random verses that have nothing to do with Daniel or the raptures was incoherent.
DeleteSo you're dishonest when you said "The fact that you prefer mans words over God's incoherent scripture suggests something. I will leave you too that though. You will have to answer to God as to why you don't believe Him."
By the way, you said I didn't believe God, but it was YOU who I said I disagreed with. You must think you're God. You need serious help.
Now that you are done with all that rambling how about just simply answering the question that God proposes. I am not mad at you about anything, God is my judge not you.
ReplyDelete(1 Corinthians 4:3) "But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self."
So in order to determine who that scripture is about (Dan. 9:27), just simply answer Gods question.
(Isaiah 40:18) "¶ To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?"
(Isaiah 40:25) "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One."
Can you answer these questions or will you try to make an excuse for not answering because you just don't know Him?
You're a lunatic. Anyone can see that you are the only one that is rambling.
DeleteWho said anything about anyone being mad?
The question that God proposes? You are the only one proposing a question to me. Besides, I already answered it. The point to those questions in Isaiah 40 is to say that God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary. There is no searching of his understanding. (vs 28)
You keep posting Isaiah 40:18 isolated from the rest of the chapter as if you actually want me to liken God to someone. The obvious answer to the question "shall I be equal? saith the Holy One" is no, God does not have any equal. That is the point of that passage. You sound like you think it has a hidden meaning that only you understand.
Since you're so smart, why don't you expound Isaiah 40:18, 25 for us.
(which again, the passage has nothing to do with what we were talking about)
Well then how about answering this one then?
ReplyDelete(Job 21:15) "What is the Almighty, that we should serve him? and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him?"
The POINT here is you just don't know Him. So you are trying desperately to turn the tables on me. And since you don't know the answer to these questions then no you don't no Jesus.
(John 14:7-11) "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. {8} Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. {9} Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? {10} Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. {11} Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake."
(1 John 5:7) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Let me know when you can answer those biblical questions.
(1 Peter 3:15) "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"
I asked you a reason for your hope, WILL YOU ANSWER?
I answered your questions about Isaiah 40, then you reply with "Well then how about answering this one then?"
DeleteI am not interested in going through every verse in the Bible with you that ends in a question mark.
You would love Job 38, nearly every verse is a question. Check it out some time.
I will respond to your questions once again, but you have not revealed your goal in asking these. (and we already established that you do not know what the gospel is)
How did I try desperately to turn the tables on you? What did I try to turn on you? I asked you what your purpose was in pasting miscellaneous question verses into my comment section, is that what you are referring to?
Job 21:15 What is the Almighty, that we should serve him? and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him?
What is the Almighty? He is the God of the universe and Saviour of man. And of course God has many other attributes that we could never fully expound.
What profit do we have if we pray to him? We are obeying the word of God and giving thanks to Him when we pray to Him...."Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Phil. 4:6-7)
But if you aren't saved, God will not hear your prayers. See the scriptures here:
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/god-heareth-not-sinners.html
I can't answer the question in John 14 because it is addressed to PHILIP, I am not Philip. Which shows how much of a disregard for context you have. I will say that I agree with what Christ said though, does that help?
Why did you paste 1 John 5:7? Are you wanting to discuss the Trinity now?
No you didn't ask me a reason for my hope, you randomly cherry picked question verses from Isaiah, Job, and John without any rationale.
Got anything else? Are you saved?
1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
ReplyDeleteAnother verse that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You're on a roll!
DeleteThe Gospel of both Peter and Paul
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/xIeNxOoWtKw
Michael Hoggard is a heretic that does not know the gospel himself. In the video you posted he flat out denied eternal security and said that if you quit believing the gospel and start sinning than you aren't saved. He said that "true salvation" (like there could be a false salvation?) PRODUCES eternal life and that it allows a person to continue in the faith. That is complete garbage.
DeleteHoggard's proof text was 1 Corinthians 15:2 "if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." Hoggard took the verse right out of the chapter an created a wicked private interpretation. "Believing in VAIN" is defined in the chapter as believing if Christ didn't really rise from the dead.
1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1 Corinthians 15:15 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Vain means without purpose. The Corinthians believed without a purpose if Christ had not really rose from the dead. But He did.
"If ye keep in memory" does not mean that the Corinthians had to mentally remember the gospel if they were going to stay saved (that would mean people with dementia or alzheimers couldn't be saved), Paul is just pointing out that IF THEY REMEMBER what he preached unto them (Acts 18) that the gospel they received included the RESURRECTION of Christ (verses 1-4)
A saved person has eternal security because salvation is not of works (Rom. 3:19-5:1, 10:1-4, 2 Tim. 1:9, Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Rom. 8:8, etc).
A saved person has eternal security because ALL his/her sins are forgiven, which would include the sin of unbelief (Eph. 1:7, 4:32, Col. 1:14, 2:13, 3:13, Acts 13:38-39)
God does not even impute sin the saved person (Rom. 4:6-9)
Nothing can separate us from the love of God (Rom. 8:28-39)
We are members of Christ's body (Eph. 5:30), and Christ cannot go to hell. He cannot deny Himself even if we stop believing (2 Tim. 2:11-13).
We are sealed unto the day of redemption (the rapture) according to Eph. 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor. 1:22, Phil. 1:6, 1 Cor. 1:8.
We are justified by the faith of Christ and not our own faith (Gal. 2:16-20, Eph. 3:12, Rom. 3:22, 1 Cor. 1:9, Phil. 3:9, 1 Thes. 5:23-24, 2 Tim. 2:13).
We have eternal life (Rom. 6:23), but how could it be "eternal" if we can lose it?
A believer does not have to "continue in the faith" to be saved, because that is WORKS, and if that were a requirement then nobody would be saved. Some days I lie, complain, lust, hate, envy, etc. and that isn't continuing in the faith. How long do I have after I sin before I lose my salvation? 10 minutes? 10 hours? 10 days? 10 months? 10 years? At what point is it determined that I lost my salvation or never really had it? People who do not believe in eternal security aren't clear about these things.
You need to get saved! Trust Christ and His shed blood ALONE for salvation from your sins and you can be justified from all things (Acts 13:38-39, 16:30-31, Eph. 1:13, 2:8-9).
I am not even going to address the "peter vs paul" issue because I have dealt with that in so many other posts (under the M.A.D. page) and you getting saved is more important than understanding dispensationalism.
You will never learn will you?
DeleteDeuteronomy 29:4 Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
I try to learn more about God and His word everyday (Phil 3:12-14), but I shun profane and vain babblings like yours (2 Tim. 2:15-16).
DeleteThis is classic. You think just because I am not agreeing with your heresy then I must be a stubborn person that never learns. Typical. You think you are the authority and if people don't agree with you then the Lord has not given them a heart to perceive, eyes to see, and ears to hear. That is CULTISH.
By the way, the verse you have quoted several times now, Deut. 29:4, isn't even a whole sentence. Read the context, it is referring to ISRAEL which shows your utter disregard for context
Deuteronomy 29:
[1] These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.
[2] And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land;
[3] The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:
[4] Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
I haven't seen any signs or miracles, so how could the statement in verses 3-4 be about me?
Dude, you're a nut.
You are the one continuously calling names like an elementary kid. (nut, lunatic, etc.) I haven't called you a SINGLE name! Now I have questioned your belief, but so what; who is man to judge if your faith stands in Christ. You don't even know who that covenant is in Deut. 29:1;
Delete(Daniel 9:27) "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
(Isaiah 42:6-8) "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; {7} To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. {8} I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."
True, you haven't called me any names.You just accused me of being "upset", "contentious", you accused me of using "pidgin holed terminologies", you said that the Lord had not given me "an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear", you said I will "never learn", you said I didn't know Christ, you said that I was "trying desperately to turn the tables" on you, you said I was "rambling" and several other unpleasant statements.
DeleteWhat does Isaiah 42:6-8 have to do with this discussion? Are you trying to say that it is talking about the same thing as Deuteronomy 29:1-4? Surely not. The statement in Isaiah 42 is a future "I will" statement regarding the 1st and 2nd advents of Christ and Deuteronomy 29:1-4 is referring to the LAW covenant "which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab". We aren't under the law, we are under grace (Rom. 6:14). The covenant in Deuteronomy says that you are CURSED if you don't keep the law (see verse 21 of chapter 29 and then go back to chapters 27-28). We can't be cursed by the law under grace (Gal. 2:19, 3:13)
Again, you're just cherry picking through the Bible and finding the word "covenant" in different places. That isn't studying the Bible rightly divided, that is taking verses out of context.
We will look at at this SLOWLY for you. In Isaiah 42:6 the LORD describes giving the covenant as Jesus - "a light of the Gentiles". Are you with us so far, this is God's interpretation here.
ReplyDeleteSo, ask yourself does God change? Well, what does God say about that?
(Malachi 3:6) "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."
(Hebrews 13:8) "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
Are you with us still? So, Who and what is God, lets ask Him. You are the one who said lets just believe it as it is written, so lets do that.
(John 1:1) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
(1 John 5:7) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
So what is God telling us; God is the Word and His Word (He) does not change.
According to God's Word and interpretation the covenant in Dan. 9:27 will be the same person as the covenant in Isaiah 42:6. THEREFORE it cannot be about the antichrist in Dan. 9:27 according to God's interpretation!
Do you understand what God said yet?
I understand what God said, I just have no idea what you are trying to say because you are an idiot.
DeleteYou keep posting verses about the Trinity and the Deity of Christ when that was never an issue.
No the verse does not say that the covenants in Isaiah 42 and Daniel 9 are the same. And no, God did not "interpeet" anything he simply said something and expects us to believe it as it is written. The abomination of desolation is not Christ, it is the Son of Perdition standing in the temple (Matt. 24:15, 2 Thes. 2:3-4).
"Look at this slowly", how much slower can you get? You've commented like 13 times and have said virtually nothing except quote scriptures that had nothing to do with what I posted and then you posted a video that gave a false gospel.
I don't care to get in a theological discussion with a lost person.
Deuteronomy 29:4 Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
ReplyDeleteHe also showed me signs and great miracles, pretty cool huh?
DeleteHere's the rest of your sentence
Deuteronomy 29:
[2] And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land;
[3] The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:
(Numbers 23:19) "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"
ReplyDeleteYes, God is not a man. That has nothing to do with anything that I have talked about. You wouldn't know what to do if computers didn't have copy/paste functions would you?
Delete(Matthew 13:9-15) "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. {10} And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? {11} He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. {12} For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. {13} Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. {14} And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: {15} For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."
ReplyDeleteWow, you're such a nut. What does that passage have to with anything we have discussed? Its about Israel and the gospel of the kingdom anyway, not people under the dispensation of the grace of God (Matt. 10:5-7, 15:24, etc).
DeleteHave you got saved yet? If you died today, would you die in your sins and go to hell or would you depart to be with Christ? You can get saved from ALL your sins if you would trust Christ believing that He shed His blood for your sins, was buried, and rose again the third day (Acts 13:38-39, 16:30-31, Rom. 3:19-27, Eph. 1:13, 2:8-9, 1 Cor. 15:1-4).
(2 Corinthians 11:3) "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
DeleteI pray that you'll get saved soon and stop posting verses that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
DeleteHahaha bro. Host that man is very much scary.. an inconsistent person.. crazy and no sense in all.. he keeps bombarding you with verses that has nothing to do with your topic.. I believe he's in Cult.. we have that kind of person here in the Philippines who makes argue about God and say something like that.. you are so very patient answering that non-sense person. I pity him.. may God have mercy on his soul hehehe
ReplyDeleteHaha. Yeah, that was a strange discussion. Thanks! --bro. Hoss
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