Wednesday, June 11, 2014


Here is Brian R. Kelson's (of ) reply to this post I did on tongues. He holds to the Acts 28 position.

His reply in red, my comments in green. 

Hi Eli, (Hi Mr. Kelson)
1Cor.13 does not align with Col.1:25. (yes it does)

1Cor.13 is prophetic, it is about partial prophesy being completed and the supernatural gifts which are featured in the OT.
Col.1:25 is about the mystery, hid in God, away from the OT and is that which completes the Scriptures. The Mystery of Eph. and Cols. is not partial prophesy completed. These are two completely incompatible passages of Scripture.

(Proof? Nope. That is all based on the premise that Paul was not preaching the mystery during Acts and that the body of Christ did not start until Acts 28. However, I believe that the prophets were for the "edifying of the body of Christ" during Acts, just as it says in Ephesians 4:11-12. More and more revelations were being given through the book of Acts according to 2 Corinthians 12:1 and 1 Corinthians 14:26. Paul knew the mystery, the body of Christ had started, and the mystery is why he was in bonds to start with according to 1 Corinthians 6:15-20, 1 Corinthians 10:16-17, 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, Romans 12:4-5, 1 Timothy 1:16, Romans 16:25-26, and Ephesians 6:19-20.

1Cor.13 is about the time they are "face to face", then they would know full prophesy, full knowledge because the partial, or parts of prophesy and knowledge will grow into complete prophesy and knowledge. We are not living in such a time.

(Proof? Nope. You have taken "face to face" out of context. Look at the passage...... "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come [that ain't Christ coming, it just said "that which is perfect", a complete and sound knowledge], then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things [now you are in a real stink, for being a child in understanding is always for not knowing written scripture, not for Christ having not come yet. 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 and 2 Timothy 3:15-17] . For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." There is where you have taken "face to face" out of context. The last sentence is an illustration of what Paul just said. The illustration is that now he is currently looking through a dark glass but when the perfect knowledge comes in he will be looking in it clearly, i.e. face to face. The context is looking into a glass, he is talking about seeing a reflection. Haven't you ever read Proverbs 27:19, "in water face answereth to face"? When you look into something clear you are "face to face", reflection. Paul was currently seeing the glass "in part", but then he would "know even as also I am known" i.e. see himself in the glass clearly. Nothing in the chapter is referring to anyone coming or any rapture taking place.

1Cor.13 is a little after chapter 7 when the coming of the Lord was very close, so much so they should not marry. After Acts 28 the young widows were to marry and the deacons were to have at least one wife. We are not living in the Acts period as they were.

(The rapture of the church is taught to be at any moment, always very close. I am expecting Him before lunch time. What is your point? Paul never told anyone not to marry in 1 Corinthians 7, he said "let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband". What you have twisted to fit your misinterpretation is 7:26, "I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be." Paul said because of the "present distress" (persecution of the church) that Paul "supposes" a man should remain single at the moment. If you think the "present distress" is the great tribulation you are off your rocker. The great tribulation is the time of "Jacob's trouble", Israel's tribulation. It is not the church's trouble where there is neither Jew nor Gentile (1 Corinthians 12:12-13, Galatians 3:26-28). The "wrath to come" is the great tribulation (Matthew 3:7, Revelation 6:15-17) and Paul told the Acts believer that they were not appointed unto wrath and that Christ delivered them from the "wrath to come" (1 Thessalonians 1:10, 1 Thessalonians 5:9). It is ISRAEL that the wrath of God comes upon (1 Thessalonians 2:16) not the church where there is neither Jew nor Gentile (1 Corinthians 12:12-13). 

And what do you mean "the deacons were to have at least one wife"? The deacons were told to have ONLY one wife. You do not believe in hell, you are pro-polygamy, what are you a half JW half LDS? Paul said that they (husband and wife) TWO shall be one flesh (1 Cor. 6:15). Your heathen polygamist views are very displeasing. 

1Cor.13 is a little before  chapter 15 where Paul tells them they shall not all die, but live to the coming of the Lord at the last Trumpet. Trumpets are not mentioned after Acts 28 and the hope today is the Appearing in the heavenly places, not the meeting in the clouds. We are not living in that Acts period time, the coming of the Lord is nowhere in sight.

(There is no verse in the Bible that says you just directly meet Christ in outer space somewhere. The post-Acts epistles just say that we will appear with Him in a glorified body (Philippians 3:20-21, Colossians 3:1-4). But Paul said in Philippians 3:20-21 that we are told "our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ". We look for Christ as He comes from heaven. We do not just mystically appear in outer space with Him. The Acts and post-Acts hope is the same--that is to reign with Christ (2 Timothy 2:12, 1 Corinthians 6:2-3). Not to float around in outer space for eternity. The body of Christ is where the Head is (Ephesians 2:6).

On this page you will find some audios Eli,      Look for number 14 and 6 "The Holy Spirit, His gifts and the Feasts, earthly program only.

There are no tongues today, no evidential miracles, no healings according to promise, and we are not living in the time of partial prophesy and knowledge but the Corinthians were.

(I agree, we now have full revelation and the things in part have been done away with)

We must compare things that differ, that is right division.

(That's what I'm trying to tell you)

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