John Davis, Time for Truth, answers the sinner's prayer questions

John Davis of Time for Truth ministries in the UK has answered a few of the "Questions for Sinner's Prayer Baptists" that I posted awhile back: http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2016/02/questions-for-sinners-prayer-baptists.html

See his "ERRORS of Hyper Dispensationalism" page here:
http://www.timefortruth.co.uk/errors-of-hyperdispensationalism/ 

I have inserted my comments in bold black font.  --Eli "Hoss" Caldwell

Punk-kid-Eli the LYING IDIOT… ‘part 2’ (Issue 78 page 19)

 
Eli, the baby still in spiritual diapers, is up to his old lying tricks again!  Look at some of these ridiculous questions he asks!  My comments in BOLD…

Is salvation by faith alone, prayer alone, or faith plus prayer?  This punk kid thinks that prayer is a ‘work’ (just like his hero mentor Richling) & that you can’t get saved IF you pray!  I kid you not folks!  This is the kind of moron the Hyper-Diaper-‘grace’-CULT-church produces!  No wonder none of them witness, pass out tracts or street preach, they don’t know what the Gospel is or ‘how’ to get saved!  Eli has never street preached or won a soul to Christ a day in his life!  Even when he had a personal tragedy in his family, he STILL would rather talk about when he ‘thinks’ the church began!!!  I mean NUTS man, N.U.T.S.!!!  This is what happens when you study under Stam et al.

[Notice that John Davis did not actually answer the question. He went on an incoherent rant about "morons", "hyper-diapers", "kids', "cults", and other funny titles, but he did not answer the question. Is salvation by faith alone, prayer alone, or faith plus prayer? That is what needs to be answered. 

• The reason I am a punk kid that believes prayer is a work is because the Bible says it is a labor, " Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God." (Col. 4:12). Prayer is something that we "help" in, "persevere" in, and it is something that we offer God (Eph. 6:18, 2 Cor. 1:11, Heb. 5:7). I wonder why John Davis doesn't just address why I believe it is a work. He did not address the verses on why I believe that.

• He says I like Martin Richling, who is a heretic that teaches you can lose your salvation and he teaches that Jesus is not God. Richling believes that his ownteaching is infallible and that he is sinless. However, Richling does agree with John Davis and Time For Truth ministries, he says the Body of Christ began a long time before Paul!

•  John Davis says that the so called "Grace Movement" (also known as "Hyper Dispensationalists", "Berean Movement", "Mid-Acts Dispensationalists) does not pass out tracts or witness for Christ. Which is obviously not true, saying as there is Things to Come missions and other missionary groups in the movement. There are also many "hyper dispensationalists" that print their own tracts and there are several Bible schools. I don't know why John Davis even said what he did, because I have heard him say that there are not many "Hyper Dispensationalists" in the UK and so he obviously doesn't know anything about the movement. 

• He says I have had a "tragedy", I know of no such tragedies. God has really blessed me.

• He says I don't know what the gospel is, but he knows I believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is the gospel. 

• He says I had rather talk about "when the church began", but you can look at this blog and see that the posts on the origin of the Body of Christ are few in number. I mostly talk about other things. John Davis could ask anyone I know personally and they would tell him that I never talk about the origin of the Body of Christ. 

• I have never studied under Stam.]

Does someone who trusts Christ get saved instantaneously and eternally (Eph. 1:13-14) or does this occur when someone repeats the sinner's prayer?  See what he’s doing here again!  He thinks God will NOT save you IF you pray & ask Him to be saved!  He thinks God can’t hear ‘the sinner’s prayer!’  He’s nuttier than a fruitcake!  According to this deluded punk kid, IF you ask God to save you He won’t because you ‘asked’ & that is a ‘work!’  DUMB as they come!  The Hyper-Diapers are just a very small CULT that achieve NOTHING in life & NEVER win souls!  They are totally useless & God just casts them aside!  (1 Cor 9v26+27)

[Do you see what John Davis is doing here again? He did not answer the question. Since he hasn't given an answer yet, and he is on the second question, I suppose he is afraid to answer. He knows that if he comes right out and says that he does not believe salvation is by faith alone, he will get in a lot of trouble with other people. 

• Notice that John Davis did not explain WHY I believe God does not hear the so called "sinner's prayer". John Davis said that I believed that, but he did not explain WHY. I believe that because of these scriptures:

John 2:24-25 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Proverbs 1:28-30 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Proverbs 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.

Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Isaiah 59:
[1] Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
[2] But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
[3] For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
[4] None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

Psalms 34:
[15] The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
[16] The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
[17] The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.

Matthew 7:
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Luke 13:
[25] When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
[26] Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
[27] But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
[28] There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
[29] And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.  

John Davis understands that you can't be saved having confidence in your commandment keeping, Sabbath keeping, good deeds, water baptism, and other works, but he does not understand that you also can't get saved when you have confidence in the prayer that you offer God. No matter how big of a work, whether it be keeping the ten commandments or just offering God a simple prayer, it is still WORKS and the FLESH that God is not pleased with (Rom. 8:8, Phil. 3:1-9). 

John Davis says I am dumb, I won't dispute that. I am a red-neck country bumpkin from Pike County, GA. I am also a supporter of Donald Trump, and the media says we are very dumb. So John Davis is probably right about that. Thankfully God made salvation so simple that any idiot can get saved if he or she will trust Christ alone for salvation (Matt. 11:25, Luke 10:21, 1 Cor. 2:5).]
 

Does the Bible ever record anyone saying the "sinner's prayer"?  Not the kind of ‘sinners prayer’ this dumb punk kid is alluding to!  But God saves EVERYONE who calls upon Him to be saved!  Rom 10v13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.  That goes for every dispensation! (Acts 2v21)  God answers PRAYER!

[Great, John Davis finally answered a question. Now he just needs to realize that Romans 10:9-13 is not referring to the salvation of the soul and it is doctrinally aimed at Israel in apostasy as I have dealt with in other posts.
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2016/04/statement-on-prayer-and-salvation.html 

Also, I thought John Davis taught salvation was different in each dispensation. But now he has his "sinner's prayer" being the gospel in every dispensation.]






Why are there different versions of the "sinner's prayer" out there? Shouldn't receiving Christ be a standard thing laid out in the Bible? Is there more than one way to get saved in the present dispensation?  Punk Eli ‘thinks’ that it’s some sort of formula to get saved, as if it’s ‘mechanical!’  Again it just shows how many souls he’s led to the Lord… i.e. NONE!  He wouldn’t know how to lead a soul to the Lord!  He thinks that his ‘baby-blog’ of all 12 members (3 of his own family included!) is reaching the lost sinners of this world & that he’s doing the will of God, when in fact he is REBELLING AGAINST God by NOT reaching the lost!  Baby-Eli is in his comfort zone, sitting in his family home behind a little computer with the heating on, tapping away on the keys trying not to break a fingernail!  This is the kind of effeminate Christian the Hyper-Diaper-CULT-‘grace’-church produces!  Like I keep saying, DUMP THEM!  Just block them on your emails & don’t even correspond with these absolute time wasters!

[Again, John Davis did not answer the question. Instead he went on an incoherent rant accusing me of saying something that I did not say. I did not say that salvation was a "formula", THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SHOW IS A FALSE GOSPEL. My point in writing against the "sinner's prayer" is that repeating some man made FORMULA of words will never save you from your sins. Only faith in the blood of Christ! (Rom. 3:23-27). 

What is a "baby blog"? Also, I only have one relative that is a member. But I am not sure what John Davis's point is. How many members does a blog typically have? Is his point that I don't know a lot of people?

When did I say my website was reaching lost people? Obviously it doesn't, lost people don't typically visit Bible websites, except for the occasional Campbellites and religious weirdos. And I do acknowledge that having a website is not part of the will of God, the word of God never tells us to have a website. (I define the will of God as what He has told us to do in His word. 

Also, I have been accused of a lot of things in my life but "effeminate" is not one of them. I am not sure why John Davis said this, especially since he does not know me at all. I like guns, knives, tomahawks, western stuff, weight lifting, hunting, fishing, and other "red neck" type hobbies. Computer nerd trying not to break a nail is something I have never been accused of by anone.

Block them on your email? You're the one that added me to your email spam list when I did NOT ask you to.

My point with the question, "Why are there different versions of the "sinner's prayer" out of there? Shouldn't receiving Christ be a standard thing laid out in the Bible? Is there more than one way to get saved in the present dispensation" is that you cannot have TWO different gospels in one dispensation (Gal. 1:6-12). There is only ONE way to be saved, so you cannot teach multiple prayers or confessions for salvation. People can't just do their own thing, they have to obey the gospel, which is BELIEVING it (Rom. 10:16). They have to put their trust in Christ because that is what He said to do. Not repeat a prayer/confession.]   

Since there is no record of the "sinner's prayer" in the Bible, why should we give people a prayer to say in order to get saved?  Who says we do or have to IDIOT?  If you do correspond with this moron, ask him how many tracts he gave out this week & how many souls he has led to the Lord!  THEN you will understand why he hates the so-called ‘sinners-prayer!’

[Brilliant, John Davis answered the question with a question. So I will answer his: Chick Publications, Fellowship Tract League, and most every Baptist around. John Davis knows that most "gospel" tracts tell you to repeat a certain confession to be saved (just like the Catholic missal book).]

Do you receive Christ by faith or by prayer? (John 1:12-13)  How do you RECEIVE the Lord dummy?  Mat 7v7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:  Baby Eli has got Richlingitus, & it’s terminal!  He says IF you pray asking God to save you, He will NOT save you, because prayer is a ‘work!’  I wonder if baby Eli kept falling out of his cot & onto his head when he was a baby?  Perhaps at school he played American Football without a crash helmet?  I mean, something is wrong with the kid isn’t there?  You can’t ask these kind of questions & be normal!

[What does Matthew 7:7 have to do with getting saved? Matthew 7 is Christ talking to the 12 apostles, saved people (with the exception of Judas). Nobody is asking for salvation, they are asking for daily needs. Didn't you notice vs 11, "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?" Father....hmmm, would that be lost people? Nope (John 8:44).

Here are some people that "knocked" and "asked" and went to hell like a bullet. 

Luke 13:
[25] When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
[26] Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
[27] But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
[28] There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
[29] And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.  ]
 

At what point does God save the sinner? When he starts saying the prayer, half way through the prayer, or when the person says "Amen"?  It really does make you wonder IF this punk kid is even saved doesn’t it!  I mean the Devil BELIEVES in Jesus Christ doesn’t he?  Perhaps baby Eli is a ‘devil’ dressed up, a wolf in sheep’s clothing!  I mean, he’s in a CULT just like the JW’s, Mormons & Christadelphians!  Makes you think doesn’t it!  You’re saved the moment you quit trusting your own righteousness to get you to Heaven, & put your faith & trust in the righteousness of Jesus Christ!  (2 Cor 5v21)  Baby Eli, have you ever asked (prayed) Jesus to save you?  

[Again, John Davis didn't answer the question. But he did allude to James 2:19, a Jewish passage aimed doctrinally at Daniel's 70th Week that teaches justification by works. It sounds like John Davis is trying to imply that faith alone isn't enough for salvation because of James chapter 2, but then he turns around and says "You're saved the moment you quit trusting your own righteousness to get you to Heaven, and put faith and trust in the righteousness of Jesus Christ". Then he asks me if I have ever prayed to be saved. First he is at WORKS (James 2), then FAITH (2 Cor 5), then back to PRAYER. He cannot just answer the question plainly.] 

Some "gospel" tracts say at the end to "bow your head and say this prayer". Does someone have to bow their head to be saved? Isn't that a work? BINGO!!!  There it is folks!  The IDIOTS confessed it!  That is exactly what Richling & baby Eli believe, that prayer is a ‘work!’  I know you’re all thinking “This kid CAN’T be saved!”  Perhaps he has some sort of mental illness, perhaps he can’t read English very well?  If so, then we must make some kind of allowance for this!  BUT, if his CULT has been teaching him that you can’t ‘ask’ (pray) God to save you, because He won’t as it’s a work, then I’m afraid that poor baby Eli is heading for the Great White Throne Judgment!

[John Davis did not answer the question (again). IS BOWING YOUR HEAD A WORK OF YOUR FLESH? Yes. IS CLOSING YOUR EYES A WORK OF YOUR FLESH? Yes. IS SAYING OFFERING GOD A PRAYER A WORK? Yes. Note that because I believe salvation is by faith alone in Christ and His shed blood for my sins (1 Cor. 15:1-4, Gal. 2:16-20, Eph. 1:13, Rom. 3:19-27) that John Davis says I am not saved and am heading for the Great White Throne Judgment. ]

Does someone have to walk down the church, kneel at the platform, and then pray in order to be saved?  No darling Eli they don’t BUT THEY ‘CAN!’  I did & I got SAVED baby, as saved as the apostle Paul, or John Wesley!  Baby Eli thinks that he & his CULT are the only ones in the entire world who are saved!  Like I said, he’s in a CULT!

[So they don't have to, but they can? So there are different ways to receive Christ? Multiples gospels? And no I don't think that me and my "cult" are the only ones saved. There are hundreds of thousands of saved people all across the world that have trusted Christ alone rather than their own works to save them.] 

Why do you have "altar calls"? Are those in the Bible? Can't someone get saved anywhere if they trust Christ?  I know, you’re thinking he is too far GONE!  You’re right, he is!  American Football isn’t in the Bible, neither is a Mercedes car, or Charles Wesley hymns, or Sunday School blah blah blah, what does that prove you DIPPER!  Baby Eli thinks you can’t get saved at the altar!  I DID!!!  Millions have!  Sounds like baby Eli isn’t saved doesn’t it!  Oh dear, poor baby Eli!  How could his family allow him to get involved in this CULT!  Are they IN this CULT?

[John Davis did not answer the question (again). It is disgusting that John Davis is comparing HOW YOU GET SAVED to football and cars. Obviously the Bible doesn't say anything about that junk, but don't you think the Bible should tell us exactly what you must do to be saved? (Acts 16:30-31).] 

Well there you have it folks, Eli’s a NUT!  If you have any dealings with him I pity you!  Just DUMP him & warn everyone you can about this heretic & his CULT!  They are only a small CULT, so there really isn’t much to worry about, they are very shallow in the Scriptures, but warn those who are weak in the faith, so that they don’t get led astray!

(Eli & Richling are arm in arm in their doctrines of devils!)

[Again I remind you that Richling believes he is sinless, infallible in doctrine, that Jesus isn't God, he denies eternal security, but he does agree with John Davis that the Body of Christ started before Paul. Maybe Martin Richling works with John Davis at Time for Truth?]