Seriously, how many more of these are you planning. You have not settled anything accept that you disagree with the proved and unrefutable MAD Baptist position. Aren't we wasting time? (The Bible says nothing good about debates or time wasting) I will keep going for a little longer so that you won't think I am chicken though.
-Brother Hoss
MAD REPRESENTATIVE HOSS CARTWRIGHT versus HERB EVANS, Part 3
MID ACTS DISPENSATIONALISM
Regarding their Invisible, Mystical, Universal Church of All Believers and their Mystical Baptism
Hoss:
Yeah, "Dr." is irrelevant, I just wanted some mud to sling
(carnality).
Evans:
I’m glad that you admit it.
Hoss:
If I was a Dr. from a big prestigious college I would not have said
that as I would probable be really air headed about being a Dr.
Hoss:
Anyway, Eph. 3:6 is a list of what the gospel does for us. Takeout
the other two things from the list and maybe you will see it.
"That
the Gentiles should be....of the same body.....by the gospel "
Evans:
Only in your mind is it a list. And then you corrupt the KJB with
your ellipsis to establish your claim. I never thought I’d see a
KJB only do that.
Hoss:
I agree that "list" was not a good word. It is more of a
compound phrase of what is the most distinct thing about this
mystery age (Bible says "dispensation)".
With
your Hyper-Baptist beliefs, this verse should be at the top of your
Statement of Faith.
Mark
7:13 Making
the word of God of none effect
through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like
things do ye.
Hoss:
Oh yeah, well your a anti dispensationalist that couldn't rightly
divide a Kit Kat bar.
Evans:
No, but I am a dispensationalist, and I am an anti-hyper
dispensationalist that can rightly divide heretics.
Hoss:
You divide the OT from the NT, what a dispensationalist.
Hoss:
You have contradicted the "one body" teaching of
1 Cor. 12:13, Eph. 4:5, etc. and you contradict the fact that when we
believe the gospel we are put in the body of Christ 1 Cor. 10:17 and
Eph. 3:6.
Evans:
Do you really think that flinging scripture addresses without any
rationale’ is an argument, Can’t you post what I am contradicting
and SHOW the contradiction?
Hoss:
I told you what you contradicted of certain passages. That is
rational.
Hoss:
Christ's NT blood does different things depending on what you are in.
Evans:
Oh? Where did you learn that? I think a little more prodding will
bring out some more heresy. I think you are starting to break down.
Explain to us those different things in regard to Christ’s N.T
blood from the scripture.
Hoss:
Ok, Christ's blood is how we can freely have salvation (Col 1:14, Eph
1:7). But it is also how the tribulation and kingdom saints get there
sins taken away. New Covenant type stuff. Would you like me to fling
references? Isaiah 53, Ezekiel 36:24-38, Jeremiah 31:31-33, John
1:29, Revelation 1:5, 5:9 the blood of Christ is the basis for
every NT ages remission of sins.
You
know, Peter and the twelve never preached "now if you know that
you are a sinner and that you are going to hell, but that Jesus
Christ, the Son of God, died on the cross for your sins and was
buried and rose again, just trust Christ and that finished work and
you will be saved."
Paul
is the one that taught that baptism wasn't needful to be saved. Paul
is the one who taught that through Jesus Christ we are no more
under the law. Paul is the one who said that we are under grace. Paul
is the one who God started the new dispensation with. Paul is then
one that got the gospel of the grace of God by revelation and Paul is
the one that received the revelation of the mystery. Compare
Ephesians 2-3 and Acts 13 with Acts 2-3, they are not the same
messages.
Hoss:
Accept [sic] for in this age, salvation requires a faith that works
rather than a faith that "worketh not". The shed blood of
Christ is a big part of Israel's New Covenant and the promised
kingdom.
Evans:
Here come the double talk which no one can possibly understand as to
what Hoss said.
Hoss:
It is obvious what I was saying. "Believe on the Lord Jesus
Christ" means different things depending on what age you are in.
(gasp!)
For
us, it means this.
Romans
3:
[22]
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto
all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
4:
[4]
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of
debt.
[5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
11:
[6]
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no
more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace:
otherwise work is no more work.
In
this age, if we believe the gospel and trust Christ, the Son of God,
then we are saved and sealed (Eph. 1:13).
For
the kingdom believers, if you believed on Christ, Son of God and King
of Israel, you repented, got baptized, sold all, and endured to
the end to get saved.
John
14:
[12]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He
that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also;
and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my
Father.
[13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
[14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
[14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Matthew
12:50 For whosoever shall do the
will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and
sister, and mother.
For
more on your kingdom message, see Matt. 10:7-10,22 , 19:20-24, 24:13,
Mark 13:13, Mark 16, Matt. 28, Acts 2,Acts 3, Acts 8. GOSPEL OF THE
KIGDOM: Matt. 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, and Mark 1:14.
That
is not what Paul preached brother Herb.
Hoss:
You don't get it.
Evans:
And you do not state it.
Hoss:
When I state it, you say my message is to long.
Hoss:
No, no, no, Mr. Evans.....Peter and John were commissioned to
buptize, but when Paul got saved he was never commissioned to
buptize.
Evans:
Then why did Paul water baptize some. Still, Paul was not there when
they were directly commissioned
Hoss:
What a goofy way to respond. I am not referring to a single
commission to any one person. Check this out.
When
John was SENT out he was sent to baptize (John 1:33). When Peter
was SENT out he was sent to baptize (Mark 16:15-16, Matt. 28:19), but
when Paul was SENT (Acts 9, 26) he was not sent to baptize (1 Cor.
1:17). Peter and John preached water baptism as a requirement, Paul
did not.
Hoss:
I agree....and totally different from Paul and his ministry and
teaching for this present age.
Evans:
No, it is just HYPERS that claim it was totally different without ant
scripture justification but merely rather suggestions and inference
from scripture.
Hoss:
Herb, I am starting to worry about you. I have showed you where Paul
and Gospels/early Acts differ with many scripture references.
Hoss:
Is that the best you got? "I don't know". You think I am
grasping at straws? This is serious scriptural differences in the
apostles commissions proving the distinction of Paul's teaching and
ministry.
Evans:
Asking why to anything while trying to infer one’s opinion is not
an argument.
Hoss:
When I just talk you say I have no scripture, when I give you
scripture you say I have no rationale. You are impossible to please.
Hoss:
There is more than one gospel brother, John's and Peter's gospel was
the gospel of the kingdom that did require works (such as selling
all, enduring to the end, water baptism). Paul's gospel clearly began
with Paul according to Romans 16:25, Gal. 1, Eph. 3.
Evans:
I hope you grow out of flinging scripture addresses thinking that you
are helping your argument. By the way, Paul preached the kingdom of
God at the end of the Book of Acts. Also, no one ever endured to the
end in order to be saved or have eternal life.
Hoss:
No one has had to endure to the end because the tribulation and
kingdom were postponed for the mystery age that we live in. In the
tribulation the Jews will have to endure to the end and not take the
mark to be saved.
Hoss:
I have never said that. I do point out that Peter's message about
Christ's death is much different than Paul's in Acts 13.
Evans:
Much different – how? Don’t be afraid to be specific enough to
get caught. So, once more, did the finished work of Christ save folks
before Paul? Are all the eternal life passages in the Book of John
null and void? When Paul arrived, did folks have to get re-saved?
Hoss:
Wow, you have not paid any attention to any of what I have told you.
Every saved person in every age has had eternal life. I have never
said that only people in this age could have it----lay off the bottle
Herb. In the gospels no one knew bout Christ's death and when Christ
told the twelve about it they thought He was crazy. (Matt. 16:21-23)
Christ's
finished work was the last sacrifice needed, so all the believers
between the cross and Paul did not have to have sacrifices anymore. A
good book on that topic is Hebrews.
Hoss:
1 Cor. 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Paul
is our apostle that we are to follow. Paul is the apotle to the
Gentiles and Christ was a minister of the circumcision (Rom. 11:13,
15:8. Paul did not countermand anybody....Christ was speaking through
him. Get Mclean's book Jesus wasn't talking to you.
Evans:
So, you are getting tongue tied and cannot handle the above and want
to avoid the remission of sins. Then you equivocate and try to change
the subject. Hoss, you are falling apart.
Hoss:
I did none of that. You have avoided all the scripture I have given
you and all you can tell me is that the body of Christ is local and
not spiritual. It is getting old brother.
Hoss:
So you think what the Bible calls the "gospel of the kingdom"
is the same thing Paul preached? Please read my article
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/p/gospel-of-kingdom-requires-signs.html
Evans:
The gospel started out as the gospel of the remission of sins, and
various aspects of the kingdom were added to it. There is only one
“glorious” gospel of the Lamb of God taking away the sin of the
world with many different aspects and additional revelation.
Hoss:
The reward for best theology made up on the spur of the moment goes
to......DR. HERB EVANS!!!! WOOOHOOOO
Matthew
6:[14]
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will
also forgive you:
[15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
[15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Ephesians
4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one
another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
That
is no change in "aspect" brother Herb.....
Hoss: I don't understand what you are saying....God obviously deals with people different ways through different ages.
Evans:
As a dispensationalist, I would agree. The keyword is “deals with
people different ways.” This is not to say that He saves
people different ways. It has always been by faith. Still the basis
of all the Old Testament salvation is the death of the Testator.
Heb
9:14. 15 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the
eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your
conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for
this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of
death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the
FIRST TESTAMENT,
they which are called might receive the promise of eternal
inheritance.
Hoss:
Boloneyism.....God allowed the blood of bulls and goats to cover sins
until the cross.... Your faith did save you, but your faith had to be
a faith that works.
James
2:
[17]
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
[18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Also
try Hebrews 11.....you know, by faith Noah built an ark. Doing works
by faith. In this age it is different.
Romans
4:[4]
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of
debt.
[5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Hoss:
Well, I have no idea what you are saying. This "local body"
hullibeloo is a bunch of stuff. There are NOT many "local"
bodies o Christ, there is only one body of Christ. You have the
physical church of members congregating together confused
with the body of Christ. Let me explain something about the number 1.
The term "one" is always used to mean that there is not
2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,.....but actually "one" as in "1".
Ephesians
4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of
peace. [4] There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are
called in one hope of your calling; [5] One Lord, one faith,
one baptism, [6] One God and Father of all, who is above all,
and through all, and in you all.
Evans:
No, you do not understand nor have any idea that your proof text
means ONE kind of bosy, One kind of Baptism, One kind of God, ONE
kind of faith, One kind of hope although there be multiples of all
them that exist.
Hoss:
I once held the belief that Eph. 4 was a list of kinds
of
things and not a numerical list. Then I realized that there are not
"kinds of God" (capital "G"). The context of Eph.
4 is keeping the "unity of the Spirit". There is one God,
not one kind
of
God. There are gods with a lower case "g". I guess you
could say there are many kinds of lower case "g" gods but
not many kinds of upper case "G" gods. The Bible talks
about many kinds of faith: faith in Christ, faith of the gospel,
faith of Christ, and many more. The Bible talks about many
kinds of
baptisms.
Hebrews
6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of
resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Matthew
3:11 mentions 3 different baptisms (as we all know).
If
each church has its own kind of "one body", do you
also have your own kind of God? What baptism is the kind of baptism
in the list?
Hoss:
Does each "local body" have its own "one
Spirit"? Does each "local body" have its own
hope, Lord, faith, or God? Eh?
Evans:
Now, you really have gone out into left field to frame a question
around something that does not exist. From where did you get the term
“its own?” It is not in Eph. 4:4, 5. Hoss, you are
stretching and straining. See what happens, when this stuff is not
covered in the books that you parrot?
Hoss:
The only book I parrot is the KJB. I have never read any Stam,
Bullinger, Belch, Larkin, etc. just a little Mclean, Reese, and
Ruckman.
Hoss:
Boloney? Pastrami? Pulled pork? Spam? Can of sardines? Makes no
difference to me.....
Evans:
Nothing makes any difference to you if it does not line up with your
preconceived notions. You are the butcher who chops up the scriptures
into dispensational compartments.
Hoss:
Nothing makes any difference to you if is does not line up with your
Baptist history and tradition. You think the only divisions in the
Bible are OT and NT.
Hoss:
Ah! Could this be? Brother Herb, did you say what I think you said?
"context "!!! You get a
smiley face!
smiley face!
Evans:
Ah, yes, Hypers pay no attention to context.
Hoss:
You got it backwards......
Hoss:
Take the Bible literally Mr. Evans,
Evans:
Okay. Jesus Christ is a literal loaf of bread. Satisfied?
Hoss:
You know that is not what I meant. I mean don't create your own
metaphors in the Bible.
Hoss:
Paul gives allegories and he tells you when he does it (Gal. 4:24).
Evans:
I have no problem with that. Your point?
Hoss:
That is my point.
Hoss:
The Lord's Supper is a memorial of the body and blood of Christ on
the cross i.e. His death.
Evans:
Yes!
Hoss:
Yes!
Hoss:
Paul says that the Corinthians were "one body" for they
"partook" of that death.
Evans:
No! One body because the Corinthian Church was because they were one
local church
Hoss:
No! I already went over this.
Hoss:
That would be talking about us believing the gospel, "the
preaching of the cross".
Evans:
It is useless to get me to agree to your commentary. I do agree with
the verse, however.
Hoss:
I would never want you to agree to my commentary nor have you agree
with Baptist traditions rather than scripture.
Hoss:
Let's go through it again brother!
Evans:
Okay, let’s!
Hoss:
Great!
Hoss:
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far
off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he
is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle
wall of partition between us; [15] Having abolished in his
flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in
ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making
peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in
one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Evans:
Well at least you are now posting the scripture. Yet without any
rationale’. This is very interesting in that now you place your
mystical body at the cross, proving that we don’t need Paul
Hoss:
You don't think we need Paul? You do not realize where you would be
without what Christ gave him to deliver to us. "BY the blood of
Christ" and "BY cross" are answering the questions
"HOW" not "WHEN". It does not say "AT the
cross".
Hoss:
1 Corinthians 1:[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them
that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power
of God.
[23]
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and
unto the Greeks foolishness;
Evans:
More of the same. What has this to do with your mystical body?
Hoss:
That is me defining the gospel as the preaching of the cross.
Hoss:
1 Corinthians 2:
[2]
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ,
and him crucified.
Evans:
More of the same. What has this to do with your mystical body?
Hoss:
Again...that is me defining the gospel as the preaching of the cross.
Ephesians
3:[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the
same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the
gospel:
Evans:
Pete and RePete were on the fence; Pet fell off; who was left?
1
Corinthians 10:[16] The cup of blessing which we bless, is
it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we
break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? [17] For
we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers
of that one bread.
Hoss:
RePete?
Hoss:
Getting in the body of Christ is never mentioned with water baptism,
it is always BY the gospel that Paul preached. (which was a mystery,
which was also a revelation given to Paul)
Evans:
Well, finally some rationale’, You never get in the body of Christ
automatically. You don’t really get into Bible emblems and
metaphors by anything.
Hoss:
Ah! Herb the Baptist finally admits it. You believe in thousands of
one bodies of Christ and now you finally admit that you think the
"body of Christ" is just some metaphor and not even real.
What a load of it
!
Here
is your creed....which you will probably say is not though.
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-creed-of-brider-cult.html
Galatians
1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was
preached of me is not after man.[12] For I neither received it
of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus
Christ.
Galatians
2:[2] And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them
that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them
which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run,
in vain.
Romans
16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to
my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to
the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the
world began,
1
Timothy 1:
[11]
According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was
committed to my trust.
[16]
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus
Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them
which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Evans:
No rationale’ to any of these rationale’ less passages, and I am
tired of commenting on them.
Hoss:
BOK! BOK! KOKKLE DOODLE DOO! (Chicken noises) You have yet to comment
on 1 Timothy 1 and what you think Paul means by "..in me
first....for a pattern...."
Hoss:
You think John the Buptist and Peter preached the same thing Paul
did? Find me where they preached "ye are not under the law but
under grace". Find me where they preached that though just
believing on the gospel and trusting Christ alone, no baptism,
circumcision, works of law, selling all, and enduring to the
end---none of that just plain faith that "worketh not"
Evans:
Find me where they preached “love your enemies.” Different
dispensation? You guys are just like the post-tribulationists and
their tactic to try to destroy your opponents’ position without
establishing one of your own. It ain’t working.
Hoss:
What are you talking about? MAD is the proven and unrefutable
position that the KJB clearly teaches. It s the Mark 7:13 coming out
in you again.
Hoss:
Don't try and pull that anti right divisional non sense where you
fumble around John 3 with these verses.
Evans:
Okay!
Hoss:
Actually you already have.
Hoss:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.[17] For God sent not his Son into the
world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be
saved.[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he
that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten Son of God . . . [36] He that
believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not
the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Evans:
You don’t believe these verses? Oh you do not believe that these
verses are for today. That is your problem. I would rather believe
Jesus.
Hoss:
It is not what I believe, it is what Christ later told Paul and what
Christ says later in John 14.
Hoss:
I know all the tricks brother...all the tricks.
Evans:
I know; I have watching you pull them.
Hoss:
Actually that is referring to your anti right division stunts.
Hoss:
You try and pull that one on me and I will give you John 14:12.
John
14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the
works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
Evans:
Well, I don’t get the point unless it is Jesus going to the Father
changed the dispensations rather than Paul or Acts 9.
Hoss:
Your comment does not make since.
Hoss:
Don't give me that stuff man....Mid-Acts hyperdispensationalism is
unrefutable because it is Bible fact. In the
gospels and Hebrews-Revelation salvation is by a faith that works.
READ James 2, you will find faith that works. READ Hebrews 11, you
will find faith that works. READ the gospels, you will find faith
that works. (selling all, baptism, law,)
But
you know what Paul says?
Romans
4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that
justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Galatians
3:
[1]
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey
the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set
forth, crucified among you?
[2] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
[2] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Ephesians
2:
[8]
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Titus
3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according
to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and
renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Who
else talks like that brother? Don't try and give me that about James
2 being justification before men.....I know all the tricks. You are
never to seek to be justified before men (Luke 16:15)! James is aimed
at tribulation saints and if the tribulation saint tries to be
justified before men he WILL TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST.
Mid-Acts
is UNREFUTABLE sir. You create contradiction in scripture if you
chose otherwise.
Contradiction
Matthew
6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Colossians
3:
[1]
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
[2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
[2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Contradiction
Matthew
6:
[14]
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will
also forgive you:
[15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
[15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Ephesians
4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one
another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Contradiction
Matthew
10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
Matthew
19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that
thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in
heaven: and come and follow me.
2
Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we
commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[11] For we hear that there are some which walk among you
disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. [12] Now
them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ,
that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. Chew on that
Herby!
Evans:
Do you think that you should be heard for your much speaking, or are
you on a propaganda tour for MAD. I will not be answering naked
passage or naked addresses any longer. So chew on them yourself. You
complain about the length of this discussion and then do something
like this.
Hoss:
What happened to "Is
all you have to do is charge a contradiction without specifying what
the contradiction is".
You started a MAD Baptist vs Hyper-Bapist debate and then you chicken
out when you can't handle my points? Herb the Baptist but off more
than he could chew.
Hoss:
I have already refuted that.
Evans:
I have already refuted your refutation. Yawn!
Hoss:
Sir, that is impossible. MAD is proven and unrefutable. So wake up!
Hoss:
That is my website.
Evans:
So what? Did I refer you to my website for answers?
Hoss:
No you didn't. So now we have emails that are running 10,000 words on
the short end.
Hoss:
Look old man, I don't have to have arguments. Mid-Acts is
unrefutable and you just can't grasp any right division aside from OT
and NT.
Evans:
Look Sonny, how do you refute something that no one has ever proved?
Hoss:
Look you old goat, MAD is proven and unrefutable. How is anything
else proven other than Most Baptists are wrong on this issue.
Hoss:
Is "hyper dispy" the best you got? Some ol, same ol
brother!
Evans:
The best that I can to answer nonsense and sarcasm.
Hoss:
I am cool with that.
Hoss:
Old guy, I don't care if you read the funnies or not. But, reading
the funnies is a mark of spirituality.
Evans:
Well, you certainly have demonstrated that!
"Still,
I understand that you are still trying to grow up to be somebody"
what does that mean?
Evans:
Go ye and learn what that meaneth.
Hoss:
Ok.
Hoss:
II Timothy 2:15 Study
to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be
ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Evans:
I note that this passage says to “RIGHTLY DIVIDE” the word of
truth. I have not seen you do any of that. You still think that Jesus
is a loaf of bread and that believers are actual sheep.
Hoss:
I was going to say the same about you...accept for the bread part.
Hoss:
Proverbs 26:5 Answer a
fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Evans:
Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou
also be like unto him.
Hoss:
DRAT! I was hoping you didn't know that verse!
Hoss:
Well then you are disobedient to your precious kingdom gospel!
Evans:
Only according to you.
Hoss:
No, according to you.
You admit that you have not sold all that you have.
Hoss:
I can't think of any good comebacks on that....I'll get back with
you.
Evans:
Make it easy on yourself.
Hoss:
Sure.
