Friday, April 18, 2014

Answering Herb Evans (part 2)

Now we will exam Herb Evans big scary article that all of us Mid-Acts Dispensationalist are so scared of. (his article in red, my comments in black)





THEY ARE MAD!
John 1:11, 12 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Mid Acts Dispensationalism makes a big ado about Gentile salvation versus Jewish salvation. They make their first huge mistake of not understanding that receiving Christ qualifies one to be a son of God or child of God BEFORE THE CROSS. 

Hmm. "Receiving Christ qualifies one to be a son of God or child of God BEFORE THE CROSS". This is true (John 1:12). To "receive Christ" you had to receive Christ's teaching and commandments in the gospels. Notice that you did not receive Christ if you did not sell all that you had. 

Matthew 19:
 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
[22] But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Did you see that? The young dude with the money did not follow Christ and did not receive Him because he did not sell all. Look down a little further in Matthew 19.

[27] Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
[28] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
[29] And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 

Peter and the twelve had received Christ and followed Him by selling all. Christ was the minister of the circumcision in the Gospel records according to Romans 15:8 "Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers". Christ was confirming the OT and not revealing the mystery of this present age. Notice those that received Christ received earthly blessings in an earthly kingdom. 

Herb Evans says that you can become a son of God by "receiving Christ". That is completely obvious and true for the gospels and is true now. But the truth of the matter is that "receiving Christ" is rather vague. How did Christ tell the rich dude with the money that he could receive eteranal life? 

"If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.....If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me" 

How did Christ tell us to receive eternal life and become a son of God? 

Romans 4:4-5 " Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

Terms like "believe on Christ" and "receive Christ" are very vague. The rich dude with the money obviously did not believe on Christ because he did not sell all and therefore did not receive Christ. If Christ is telling you to sell all that you have, endure to the end, or get baptized, then if you believe on Him you will do that. (or else you did not believe Him or what He told you to do to receive eternal life and become a son of God) Just look at John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." 
That is true for the "gospel of the kingdom" that required people to sell all, get baptized, and endure to the end, but Paul told us in the age of grace that we "worketh not" as we saw in Romans 4:5-6. Therefore, our gospel requires no works and we just believe our gospel and trust Christ (1 Cor. 15:1-4, Eph. 1:13). The believers in the gospels had to believe the kingdom gospel and do the works in it. I am glad I am in the age of grace i.e. it is more lazy man friendly.

Herb Evans says that Mid-Acts Dispensationalist have a problem with accepting "Receiving Christ qualifies one to be a son of God or child of God BEFORE THE CROSS", but I have no problem with it at all. Let's see what else Herb has to share.


 MAD is a form of hyperdispensationalism, which is promoted by Terry McClean, one of its chief promoters, in his newsletter “McNuggets.” MAD relies heavily on the semi-silence of the Pre-Pauline scriptures in regard to Gentile salvation. MAD is really an extension of Cornelius Stam and Bullinger type Hyper-dispensationalism. Hyperdispensationalists are called by other names such as Bereans, Pauline Followers, Grace Believers, and Right Dividers. 

 "Hyperdispensationalist" is always in the eye of the beholder. MAD does rely "heavily on the semi-silence of the Pre-Pauline scriptures in regard to Gentile salvation". That is true, but "semi-silence" is an understatement.....it was a mystery that Gentiles could be on equal terms with Jews as far as spiritual blessings go and there not being any advantage being a Jew. Look at Ephesians 3.

[2] If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward:
[3] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[4] Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
[7] Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Gentiles being "fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel" was a complete mystery! (not just a "semi silence") 
If a Gentiles wanted to get saved pre-cross he had to become a Jewish  proselyte. In fact, Christ was only sent to Jews during the gospels. If a Gentile came up they had to beg like a dog if they wanted anything. See Matthew 15.
[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
[27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 

Again, Christ "was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers". Of course MAD acknowledges this and rejoices in the fact that now there is neither Jew nor Greek and that we can become Abraham's seed by becoming in Christ (Galatians 3:28-29) without works (Eph. 2:8-9). MAD loves to acknowledge and rejoice in Ephesians 2 which tells us how this was made possible. 
Ephesians 2:
[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
[17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[18] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 


That is great is it not? So YES, Mid-Acts Dispensationalism relies heavily on this. 


Much of Hyperdispensationalism rejects the Great commission, water baptism, and even the Lord’s Supper for this present dispensation and even tends to hold to dual churches in Acts, namely, the Jewish Church and the Gentile church, each with different plans of salvation for each church. 

 I reject Mark 16 as the "great commission" for the age of grace since there is no sign gifts of to the Jews anymore, water baptism is not part of the gospel anymore, and I really do not want to stick my hand anywhere near a copperhead. I do believe in getting the gospel of grace to the whole world though. (1 Cor. 1:17-22, 13:8)
I am MAD and I believe in water baptism and very much so the Lord's Supper. There were to churches in Acts according to Galatians 2:7-8 "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:). About the different gospels, at Acts 15 it was settled that people would be saved by hearing the gospel and trusting Christ in your heart without works which is in accordance with Eph.1:13. (Acts 15:7-11)

Most Hyperdispensationalists teach that the Gentile Church must use only the Pauline epistles for doctrinal belief and practice.

 Correct, MAD acknowledges that Paul was the one that got the revelation of the mystery and he is the one that spoke to us Gentiles about it and so we are told to follow him. (Romans 11:13, Ephesians 3:1-7) All scripture is for us (Rom. 15:4) but it is not all written to us. 
1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ"

  MAD gymnastics, in regard to the word “Gospel” or good news or glad tidings, forces multiple gospels and multiple plans of salvation not only into the O.T. but also into the four Gospels and Book of Acts per their Mid Acts Dispensational repertoire. 

 This true. God has had many gospels. There is the "gospel of the kingdom" which is for those believers who are destined for the earthly kingdom where Christ sits on His thrown. These kingdom believers have to endure to the end of the tribulation period without accepting the mark of the beast. You must also sell all that you have, which is not a problem since you will not be able to swap, buy, or sell in the tribulation period anyway without taking the mark. You know, Jesus said a rich man can not enter the kingdom of God because he did not obey the gospel of the kingdom by selling all and he more than likely took the mark of the beast. Here are the references to the "gospel of the kingdom" (Matt. 4:23, 9:35, 24:14, Mark 1:14) here the references to "selling all" (Matt. 6:25-26, 19:16-29, Acts 2:38-45, 3:6, 4:34-35, 5:1-11, Mark 10:21, Luke 12:23-33, 18:22) references to "endure to the end" (Matt. 10:22, Rev. 13:16-17, 14:9-11, 15:2). Also included water baptism (John 1:33, Mark 16:15-16, Acts 2:38)
Paul's gospel is clearly different in that it included no works and all you have to do is believe that Jesus Christ as the Son of God came and died for your sins, was buried, and rose again.
1 Corinthians 15:
[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
[2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
[3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
[4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 


Herb Evans has said that this is not a complete gospel since He says it does not include "repentance". Repentance is a change of mind, and all the repentance you need to get saved is to change your mind and realize that you are a sinner. As you can see, the passage says "died for our sins" so it does include repentance. If you believe that gospel and trust Christ you are sealed with the Holy Spirit and have partook of Christ's death and are made part of the spiritual body of Christ by the cross. (Eph. 1:13, 2:13-20, 3:6, 1 Cor. 10:17, Rom. 4:5-6, Gal. 3:1-4) This gospel does not include works (Eph. 1:13, Rom. 4:5-6, Gal. 3:1-4, Eph. 2:8-9, Tit. 3:5, 2 Tim. 1:9-10).

 Hyperdispensationalism, whether it starts with the church in Acts 2 (Pentecost), Acts 9, Acts 13, or Acts 28, is still Hyperdispensationalism. 

 Again, "hyperdispensationalist" is in the eye of the beholder. "Church" means a called out assembly and God has had those all through the OT (Acts 7:38). The "body of Christ" where there is neither Jew nor Gentile is also called "the church" because it is a called out assembly (Eph. 2:6). The body of Christ was a mystery revealed through Paul and part of a dispensation given through Paul (Eph. 3:1-7) and so the body of Christ started with Paul in Acts 9 (that is why it is called "Mid-Acts Dispensationalism" MAD). 
1 Timothy 1:
[12] And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
[13] Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
[14] And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
[15] This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
[16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 


Paul was the first one in the body of Christ for a pattern to all believers from then on that believed the gospel of the grace of God.

MAD totally ignores the successive and progressive revelation of the salvation theme throughout the scripture, old, new, and transitional, while rejecting the culmination of such biblical revelation in John the Baptist’s preaching the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the WORLD. Nevertheless, the Bible message of salvation winds its way through successive, progressive, transitional phases, and application throughout the Bible. By ignoring this progressive revelation, MAD fails to produce anything but a vague, nebulous assumption and innuendo, without any specific proof texts, as to where its dispensation specifically begins, the noteworthy weakness of its unscriptural and extra-scriptural doctrine. 

 I have no idea what Herb is trying to say. Jesus took away the sin of the world and became the last sacrifice that would ever be needed as seen clearly in the book of Hebrews. So what? And what in the world does Herb mean by "successive and progressive revelation of the salvation theme throughout the scripture....the Bible message of salvation winds its way through successive, progressive, transitional phases, and application throughout the Bible.". Yes there have been different gospels throughout the Bible, but it is not all the same gospel that just went through "transitional phases". Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

To be continued......

Thursday, April 17, 2014

Answering Herb Evans (part 1)

In this post we are going to exam an article written by a brother named Herb Evans. Now Herb Evans is a fellow King James Bible believer, but he is not a very good Bible student in that he rejects the method Paul gave us on how to study God's words, and that is by "rightly dividing" the word of truth according to II Timothy 2:15. 

Herb Evans "rightly divides" (using the term loosely) the Old Testament from the New Testament. He believes the entire NT is written to believers in this dispensation/age that we live in now. Therefore anything from Matthew 1- Revelation 22 is fair game for Herb's doctrinal statement (if he likes it that is). 

Some of Herb Evans false teachings would be that there is no spiritual body of Christ and that there is no spiritual baptism that puts us in the body of Christ. I refuted that heresy here http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/questions-for-local-church-onlysim.html 

Herb thinks that every "church" in the Bible is the same and that every "church" is each its own body of Christ. If you point out to Herb Evans from the scripture that there is only "one body" Herb will tell you that this just means that each church is "one body" on its own. That is ludicrous, who would have claimed that each church was two bodies? Nobody would. There is one body of Christ period, each church is not its own body of Christ. By Herb Evans logic you have thousands of one bodies of Christ. Now folks that is plain junk. I do not say that because it goes against my religion or my opinion, I say that because it goes against the word of God. The word of God is our sword by which we divide the truth from the heresy. (Hebrews 4:12, Ephesians 6:17)

Herb Evans thinks that getting water baptized and being voted into the church puts you into the body of Christ. He believes that if he starts a church than he created a body of Christ. He then believes if he water baptizes you and votes you in to the church than he just put you into the body of Christ. If that ain't enough heresy just wait till you here this, Herb Evans believes he can cut you off from the body of Christ if he votes you out "for the destruction of the flesh". He got that from 1 Corinthians 5:5, but 1 Corinthians 5:5 is talking about getting someone out of the local church because they were engaged in fornication. Now you can get kicked out of a local church but you cannot be cut off from the body of Christ. 

Romans 8:
[35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
[38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Herb Evans is one of the "other creatures" mentioned in verse 39 and notice he can not separate us from the love of God. That is not all the surprises the King James Bible has for Herb Evans, look at 1 Corinthians 6 and 2 Timothy 2.

1 Corinthians 6:
[15] Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
[16] What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
[17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

2 Timothy 2:
[11] It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
[12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
[13] If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
 
See that, Herb missed it but did you notice that? We are members of Christ and the Lord abideth faithful even when we do not believe, WHY? Because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF! I am unseparable member of the body of Christ and I am not going to let an old buzzard like Herb Evans talk me out of that wonderful promise! 
"let God be true, but every man a liar" -Romans 3:4 and that includes Herb Evans. 

Now that we have established what kind of heretic we are dealing with I will tell you what is going on. Herb Evans challenged me to a debate (in contradiction to Romans 1:29 and 2 Corinthians 12:20) on the irrefutable Bible fact of Mid-Acts dispensationalism. Herb believes that no knew gospel was given to Paul, no knew dispensation was given to Paul, and that John, Jesus, Peter, and Paul were all teaching the same gospel and the same message. You can find those time wasting debates here http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/p/hoss-vs-herb.html 

You have to wonder about these gentleman that all they want to do is debate you on something. Debating is the type of mess you expect out of theological losers like that anti-Bible heretic James R. White. You would expect more out of a Bible believer like Herb Evans but he apparently enjoys being a professional time waster contrary to Ephesians 5:16 and Colossians 4:5. 

Now that you what we are dealing with let's have a look at his article. (next post)   

Wednesday, April 16, 2014

James White "is not against the KJV".

http://av1611.com/kjbp/blog/modern-textual-criticism-and-acts-837-with-dr-james-white/

Checkout this website, it is a very good Bible believing website. It also gives James White a good kick in the pants every once in awhile. 

Also note, James White said in his piece of trash The King James Only Controversy that he was not "anti KJV". He also says it in the video that Bro. Staggs reviewed.  

Really??? James White is not anti King James Bible? Does he write 271 page books attempting to disprove every translation as the word of God? No......he picks on ONE Book--the King James Bible. He never wrote a book called the New International Version Only Controversy. No, he is against the KJB. 

If I picked up an ESV and said "this is the inspired word of God" James White would be trying to expose all the errors in the ESV. James White is against One Bible Onlyism more than anything, but that "One Bible" that he is against just so happened to be the King James Bible.


Does your "bible" have a toilet area?

The "living" "bible"......

Deuteronomy 23:12 The toilet area shall be outside the camp.

1 Kings 18:27 About noontime, Elijah began mocking them. “You’ll have to shout louder than that,” he scoffed, “to catch the attention of your god! Perhaps he is talking to someone, or is out sitting on the toilet, or maybe he is away on a trip, or is asleep and needs to be wakened!”  

2 Kings 10:27 They wrecked the temple and converted it into a public toilet, which it still is today.


"......do count them but dung...." -Phil. 3:8 KJB

Monday, April 14, 2014

Questions for local church onlysim.

This is some email exchange I had with a "local church only" brother. 

"If there are thousands of bodies of Christ and each one body of Christ is just a local church that you must get water baptized into and be voted into.......why oh why.....

Ephesians 2:

[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Ok people, there are ordinances/commandments for the body of Christ. (Lord's Supper, water baptism, etc.) but those are not to get into the body of Christ. The body of Christ is a universal church of all believers that are a called out assembly (church).

Eph. 2:[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) [6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

You can take that "made us sit together in heavenly places" however you want, but it is a called out assembly.

Now some gentlemen have made the claim that we must join a church, get baptized, get voted in, etc. before they are in there particular body of Christ. That means that Christ did not "abolish in his flesh the enmity" and that He really didn't "reconcile both unto God in one body".

Did Christ "abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances" only to create new ordinances?

Verse 16 is saying that Christ "reconciled both (Jew and Gentiles) unto God in one body, having slain the enmity thereby", does that sound like "local bodies of Christ" to yall? There were Jews and Gentiles (proselytes) going to the same assemblies/churches/synogueges before the cross! Christ did not half to reconcile the two together in a local church.....it was already happening.

How anyone could read Ephesians 2 and think it is talking about a local church I don't know.

GASP! I am suggesting a universal church cult!

-Brother Hoss"
 
"What part of you is seated in heaven?Your soul? Your spirit? Your body? All three? Are you omnipresent?" --local church only proponent 
 
"I knew you were going to ask that......I think you have pulled this one before......my answer is....who cares? I did not come up with this, it is what the passage says. Read it and figure it out on your own. Hmmmm.....do you have any other wonderful answers to the questions raised?"  -Brother Hoss
 
"We were "baptized by the spirit" into the body of Christ. We were baptized into His death (you believe we are dead right?), but we were also baptized into His resurrection and are raised up with him! But don't take my word for it........


Gal. 2:20
[19] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
(we are dead and crucified)

Rom. 6:
[1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[3] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[9] Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
[10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
[11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof

Guess what? That ain't water.....water does not baptize me into the death of Christ. This is a spiritual baptism through the faith of the operation of God into the spiritual body of Christ circumcised, crucified, buried, and raised. Did water do that?

1 Corinthians 12:
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
[13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Notice that we are said to already be raised up by this spiritual baptism as well.

Colossians 2:
[11] In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[12] Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

See, we are quickened together by God and spiritually baptized into His resurrection. (compare Col. 2 with Eph. 2 if you wish)

A difference between "local church only" brothers and myself is this: I believe that Christ "blotted out" ordinances, slew commandments, and abolished and broken down all those things when He reconciled Jews and Gentiles to God "in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby". Did Christ break down ordinances/commandments just to create new ones?

You still think that there are thousands of one bodies of Christ that we must get water baptized to become accepted and become a member of Christ? Hmmmmm....." -Brother Hoss