Atheist's response to my anti-Darwinist post against Bill Nye the "science" guy:
"Read the article. The article was mostly rubbish. Nye got a few Bible
facts wrong, but after that the article fell to bits with its own
ignorant spew. hell, it had Morris and Gish as prominent scientists.The
general effect was to leave Nye unscarred and to leave the author of the
article looking like a goose."
Hoss's response:
"A "few Bible facts wrong"? The bird said that the Bible had been
translated into English countless times in the past 5,000 years. There
are kids that know English has not been around for 5,000 years. Where
did it have Morris and Gish as "prominent scientist"? They were in the
list, but so were a lot of other people. But, I suppose Dr. Gish could
be considered a prominent scientist, since he had a Ph.D. in
biochemistry from Berkeley."
Atheist's response:
"Having a Phd doesn't make you prominent.
But you are right- it didn't say "prominent".
Not that it matters. Neither Gish nor Morris were scientists once they
gave up real science and began promoting debunked and disproven
nonsense.
As for the bit about English- that's just an obvious slip."
Hoss's response:
"Thanks for the reply. I think it depends on your definition of
prominent. The word can mean 'well known' or it can mean 'important'.
Gish and Morris were both well known, not because they were
creationists, but because they were scientists with PhDs that believed
and promoted creation. You say "Gish nor Morris were scientists once
they gave up real science", but it is my understanding that they were
always creationists. I don't think they ever "gave up" evolution. You
seem to be indicating that only people who believe in macro-evolution
are scientists (perhaps I am misunderstanding you). Wouldn't that mean
that there were no scientists before 1859 when Darwin published his
book? Most American medical doctors are not evolutionists. As seen in
the blog post, world renown neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson is a staunch
creationist that does not believe in macro-evolution. Nobody could
question his medical science expertise and experience. I would also like
to add the fact that Charles Darwin is often inaccurately credited with
the discovery of natural selection, but several people already had
wrote about it before him. One of which was a creationist named Edward
Blyth (1810-1873) who was a zoologist. He is actually someone that
helped Charles Darwin learn more about selection. Darwin wrote on pg.
18 of the Origin of Species, "Mr. Blyth, whose opinion, from his large
and varied stores of knowledge, I should value more than that of almost
any one, "
I haven't read much of Morris or Gish, but what is the "debunked and
disproven nonsense" that they promoted? (were you just referring to
creationism as a whole or were you referring to specific teachings of
theirs?)"
Atheist's response:
"Any scientist that promotes a disproven model of science- whether ot is
creationism or astrology or homeopathy has forsaken their status. The
usual result is to be ostracised.
The primary claims of creationism are indeed disproven.
1) Young Earth- disproven.
2) Special Creation- disproven
3) World Wide Flood- disproven."
Hoss's response:
"I don't see how someone's religious beliefs could negate their
scientific education and experience unless it affected how they perform
the needful tests/observations in their field. Did Morris and Gish's
creation beliefs have a negative impact on their hydraulic engineering
and biochemistry work? I don't think so. Did Dr. Carson's creationist
beliefs have negative affects on his abilities to perform surgeries? I
don't think so. Raymond Damadian's creationist beliefs did not stop him
from inventing the MRI scanner either. I don't see how a person's belief
about origins affects their scientific operating skills. (but I'm not a
scientist)"
--Eli "Hoss" Caldwell
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