In the last post I provided the Scriptures and the quotes to prove that the Baptist denomination as a whole preaches a false gospel. In this post I will refute their other beliefs from their statement of faith. Their faith is filled with satanism.
Here is the statement from Parker Memorial Baptist Church: http://www.pmbclansing.org/home/statementoffaith.htm#Baptism
There Statement of Faith is in red font, my comments are in blue font bracketed.
There Statement of Faith is in red font, my comments are in blue font bracketed.
To set forth in order a declaration of those things
which are most surely believed among us…that thou mightest know the
certainty of those things wherein thou hast been instructed, we set
forth the commonly believed confession of faith held among us, as
follows [That was worded very elegantly.]
1. By “The Holy Bible” we mean that the collection
of sixty-six books, from Genesis to Revelation, which, as originally
written does not only contain and convey the Word of God, but IS the
very Word of God. [Oh I get it, you only believe in the "originals"! What about perfect preservation as taught in Joshua
1:8, Isaiah 30:8, 40:8, 55:10-11, 59:21, Psalms 12:6-7, 100:5, 117:2,
119:89-91, 119:160, 1 Peter 1:23-2:2, Matthew 5:17-18, 24:35, Mark
13:31, Luke 21:33, John 6:63, 10:35, 17:17, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, and
Ephesians 5:26-27.]
2. By “inspiration” we mean that the books of the
Bible were written by holy men of old, as they were moved by the Holy
Spirit, in such a definite way that their writings were supernaturally
and verbally inspired and free from error, as no other writings have
ever been or ever will be inspired. II Tim. 3:16, 17; II Pet. 1: 19-21;
Acts 1: 16; Acts 28:25; Psa. 119:160; Psa.119:105; Psa. 119:130; Luke
24:25-27; John 17:17; Luke 24:44; Psa. 119:89; Prov. 30:5, 6; Rom. 3:4; I
Pet. 1:2, 3; Rev. 22:19; John 12:48; Isa. 8:20; Eph. 6:17; Rom. 15:4;
Luke 16:31; Psa. 19:7-11; John 5:45-47; John 5:39.
[Do we have this today?]
[Do we have this today?]
[That is great.]
[Sounds good, but I am not sure what you mean by "in His relation to the unbelieving world He restrains the Evil one until God’s purpose is fulfilled".]
[Good.]
[Good.]
[Yes.]
[Yes.]
[I have serious problems with this. You say that Jesus took on our "nature"? That is a problem because "by nature" we are the children of wrath and wicked sinners (Eph. 2:3). You cannot take on human nature without sin. Jesus was "God...manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16) not God manifest with a human nature, only a human body. Other than that, it sounds good.]
[Israel must be born again as stated in Isa. 66:8 and the new birth pertains to Israel according to the words of Christ (John 3:10). Under Grace, the revelations that Christ made known to the apostle Paul make it clear that we are not "born again", we are "adopted" (Rom. 8:15, Gal. 4:5, Eph. 1:5). Israel was born of God in the Old Testament (Exod. 4:22) and will be born again with their sins remitted at the Second Coming of Christ (Isa. 60:8, Matt. 19:28-29, Acts 3:19-21, 1 Pet. 1:5-9, etc.). The "born again" doctrine is mainly for Israel as found in the Old Testament, the Gospels, and the Hebrew epistles. I suppose application could be made to the Body of Christ under Grace. However, being "born again" is not something you can stress for Gentiles under Grace, we are "adopted".]
[Sure, though "penitent" is not the word I would use. Too close to Catholic penance. Also, "obedient faith" should be clarified. It it true that under Grace we must "obey" the Gospel BY BELIEVING it (Rom. 10:16), but we do not have to continue in obedience to be saved. That would be works salvation.]
[Good!]
[That is a "damnable heresy" (2 Pet. 2:1). It sounds like a mixture of Calvinism and Catholicism. First you say that repentance and faith are "wrought in our souls by the quickening Spirit of God", meaning that the Holy Spirit indwells a person and then makes him/her believe and repent. That is wrong, you believe on Christ and THEN the Holy Spirit comes (Eph. 1:13, Gal. 3:2-3). Then you gave a false gospel, "we turn to God with unfeigned contrition, confession and supplication for mercy; at the same time heartily receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and openly confessing Him". That is works salvation! "unfeigned..confession...openly confessing Him"? We call upon the name of the Lord in our heart (Rom. 10:1-13), but that has nothing to do with OPENLY confessing Christ. The context of Romans 10 is saying something with the mouth of your heart, not open confession. You can believe on Christ and be saved without openly confessing Christ: Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue... I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. (John 12:42, 46) I also see that Acts 2:38 was put in the list of references. Acts 2:38 is about Israel and the last days (Acts 1:6-7, 2:16-21). Peter specifically said "Ye men of Judaea..Ye men of Israel..Therefore let all the house of Israel know" (Acts 2:14, 22, 36). Under Grace we receive the Holy Spirit WITHOUT works (Acts 10, Gal. 3:1-3, Eph. 1:13).]
[In regards to the non-existent "great commission"
The "Great Commission Exposed"
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-great-commission-exposed.html
In regards to the "ordinances"
What are "the ordinances" of the Church?
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/what-are-ordinances-of-church.html ]
[For the Lord's supper, see What are "the ordinances" of the Church? http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/what-are-ordinances-of-church.html
[That is a heretical false gospel. Under Grace we believe the "gospel of the grace of God" which is not of works (Acts 20:24, Eph. 2:8-9). The gospel that says "endure unto the end" is the "gospel of the kingdom" that will be preached by Jews in the Time of Jacob's Trouble (Matt. 24:13-14).
Is the Gospel of the Kingdom the same thing as the Gospel of the Grace of God?
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/is-gospel-of-kingdom-same-thing-as.html
Was John's baptism different from Peter's?
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2015/08/was-johns-baptism-different-than-peters.html
We do not have to "endure to the end" to be saved under GRACE (Rom. 11:6, Titus 3:4-7).]
[Are you referring to the rapture of the Body of Christ which is pre-wrath (better known as "pre-trib) as found in 1 Thes. 1:10 and the Pauline epistles or the post wrath rapture of Jewish believers as found in Matthew 24 and Luke 21?]
Matt. 28:18-20, “And Jesus came and spake unto
them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye
therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe
all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you
alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Mark 16:15, “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”
John 20:21, “…as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.”
Acts 1:8, “But ye shall receive power, after that
the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both
in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost
part of the earth.
Rom. 10:13-15, “For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in
whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom
they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And
how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How
beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and
bring glad tidings of good things!”
II Cor. 8:7, “Therefore, as ye abound in every
thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and
in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.”
We are commanded to bring our gifts into the storehouse (common treasury of the church) upon the first day of the week.
[Actually, NO we aren't. You are lying. Malachi 3 is referring to Israel giving animals and money to the Levites in the TEMPLE, not any "local church". Read Malachi 3 please, then come back.]
[Actually, NO we aren't. You are lying. Malachi 3 is referring to Israel giving animals and money to the Levites in the TEMPLE, not any "local church". Read Malachi 3 please, then come back.]
I Cor. 16:2, “Upon the first day of the week let
every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that
there be no gatherings when I come.”
[1 Cor. 16:2 has nothing to do with us giving money to the local church on the first day of the week. The context of 1 Cor. 16:2 is the believers giving money to Paul on ONE day (not repeated every week) so that he can take it to the poor saints in Jerusalem...
1 Corinthians 16:
[1] Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
[2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
[3] And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
This was a SPECIFIC EVENT, Paul did not say "every first day of the week", he just said "the first day of the week". Under Grace we give not out of commandment or of necessity.
2 Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
We give if we want to or if we purpose in our heart to. Nobody can command us to give under Grace nor is any certain amount expected or required.]
[1 Cor. 16:2 has nothing to do with us giving money to the local church on the first day of the week. The context of 1 Cor. 16:2 is the believers giving money to Paul on ONE day (not repeated every week) so that he can take it to the poor saints in Jerusalem...
1 Corinthians 16:
[1] Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
[2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
[3] And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
This was a SPECIFIC EVENT, Paul did not say "every first day of the week", he just said "the first day of the week". Under Grace we give not out of commandment or of necessity.
2 Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
We give if we want to or if we purpose in our heart to. Nobody can command us to give under Grace nor is any certain amount expected or required.]
Under grace we give, and do not pay, the tithe-
“…Abraham gave a tenth part of all…” “…Abraham gave the tenth of the
spoils.” Heb. 7:2, 4
[What? We give a tithe but don't pay it? That makes no sense. And by the way, just because you used the phrase "under grace" does not make you dispensational. What does Abraham giving a tenth of his spoils to Melchezidek have to do with believers under Grace?]
[What? We give a tithe but don't pay it? That makes no sense. And by the way, just because you used the phrase "under grace" does not make you dispensational. What does Abraham giving a tenth of his spoils to Melchezidek have to do with believers under Grace?]
And this was four hundred years before the law,
and is confirmed in the New Testament; Jesus said, concerning the tithe,
“…these ought ye to have done…” Matt. 23:23.
[Circumcision, dietary laws, and animal sacrifices were MORE than four hundred years before the Law was given, so should we do those too? Have you actually read Matthew 23:23? It is addressed to "you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" What does this have to do with believers under Grace?]
[Circumcision, dietary laws, and animal sacrifices were MORE than four hundred years before the Law was given, so should we do those too? Have you actually read Matthew 23:23? It is addressed to "you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" What does this have to do with believers under Grace?]
We are commanded to bring the tithe into the
common treasury of the church. Lev. 27:30. The tithe is the Lord’s.
Mal. 3:10, “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may
be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of
hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a
blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”
[Where the heck is a "common treasury of the church" mentioned in the Bible? Why are the verses you cited all Old Testament Law verses that are talking to Israel about the Temple? Is Malachi 3:10 the only verse in Malachi that you know?
Malachi 3:
[1] Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to this temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
[2] But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
[3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
[4] Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.
[5] And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
[7] Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
[8] Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
[9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
[10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Under Grace our body is the temple, we are not bringing offerings to the sons of Levi, and we are not the sons of Jacob. Come to think of it, we cannot even be cursed by the Law under Grace.
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.]
[Where the heck is a "common treasury of the church" mentioned in the Bible? Why are the verses you cited all Old Testament Law verses that are talking to Israel about the Temple? Is Malachi 3:10 the only verse in Malachi that you know?
Malachi 3:
[1] Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to this temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
[2] But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
[3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
[4] Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.
[5] And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
[6] For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
[7] Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
[8] Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
[9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
[10] Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Under Grace our body is the temple, we are not bringing offerings to the sons of Levi, and we are not the sons of Jacob. Come to think of it, we cannot even be cursed by the Law under Grace.
Galatians 3:
[12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
We are NOT under the law, we are under grace:
In the New Testament it was the common treasury of
the church. Acts 4:34, 35, 37, “…and brought the prices of the things
there were sold, And laid them down at the apostles’ feet…Having land,
sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet."
[Under the Gospel of the Kingdom it was required that you sell all of your possessions:
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2015/04/do-you-really-follow-jesus.html
Under Grace, it would be wrong to sell all as seen by the Scriptures in the link.
Secondly, you and your Baptist buddies are not apostles, so nobody is expected to lay anything at your feet. Nobody is obligated to give you anything.
By the way, you see in Acts chapter 5 that the commandment to sell all was punishable by death if disobeyed. I am glad that it has nothing to do with the Dispensation of Grace.
Here are twenty points on "tithing" from Pastor David O'Steen:
[Under the Gospel of the Kingdom it was required that you sell all of your possessions:
http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2015/04/do-you-really-follow-jesus.html
Under Grace, it would be wrong to sell all as seen by the Scriptures in the link.
Secondly, you and your Baptist buddies are not apostles, so nobody is expected to lay anything at your feet. Nobody is obligated to give you anything.
By the way, you see in Acts chapter 5 that the commandment to sell all was punishable by death if disobeyed. I am glad that it has nothing to do with the Dispensation of Grace.
Here are twenty points on "tithing" from Pastor David O'Steen:
"1. The English word "tithe" means a
tenth (compare Gen. 14:20 with Heb. 7:4). Most churches preach tithing
as a means of supporting their ministry. There are variations in how
they teach this is to be done. Some pay the local church one tenth of
their income after taxes and bills are paid; some pay before. Others
demand tithing on unemployment, inheritance, gifts, tax refunds, social
security and even gambling winnings. The tithing issue has caused a
great deal of strife and division in our churches over the years.
2. Perhaps the most well known
passage on tithing is Malachi 3:8-12. This passage is the proof text for
"Storehouse Tithing." Simply stated, the congregation is exhorted to
channel all of their giving through the local church (storehouse). If
they want to give to a Christian organization, radio or television
broadcast, etc., it must go through their denominational machinery in
order for the local church to get "credit." Also the pastor and elders
often must make the determination if the cause supported by the giver is
"worthy."
3. This use of the Malachi passage
is a good example of Scripture being taken out of its historical and
dispensational context. "This whole nation" in verse 9 is the
backslidden nation of Israel, NOT the present day church (Mal. 1:1;
3:6). They were under the law of Moses as a system of conditional
blessing (obey=blessed; disobey=cursed). The blessings of keeping the
law had to do with Israel's LAND (3:11-12). Believers today are not
under the law but under grace (Rom. 6:14; 7:4-6). As such we have
already been blessed by God with all spiritual blessings in heavenly
places in Christ (Eph.1:3).
4. This should put an end to the
common charge that believers who don't tithe are "robbing God" and will
be "cursed with a curse." God did not command us to tithe so how could
we be robbing Him by not doing what He never told us to do? We cannot be cursed by the law for not tithing (Mal. 3:9) as members of the body of Christ (Gal. 3:13). The
storehouse mentioned in verse 10 is not a local church but a storage
bin or silo in the Jewish temple where the grain from the Hebrew's
tithes was stored (2 Chron. 31:4-12).
5. Under the law only agricultural
products were tithed. They included grain, fruit, and livestock. Only
products produced within the boundaries of the land of Israel were to be
tithed (Lev. 27:30-34).
6. Others exempt from the tithing
law included the hired hands, fishermen, miners, lumber workers,
construction workers, soldiers, weavers, potters, manufacturers,
merchants, government workers, and priests. In short, all who were not
farmers were exempt.
7. A farmer with only 9 cattle did
not tithe because the law specified the "tenth which passeth under the
rod." Likewise a farmer with 19 sheep paid only 1 sheep to the Lord's
tithe.
8. The Jewish farmers in the land
could redeem (buy back) the tithes of their crops with a penalty of one
fifth. In other words, if a farmer wanted to keep his tithe of grain
worth $1,000, he could pay the cash equivalent of $1,200 (Lev. 27:31).
9. Livestock could not be brought
back nor could the farmer exchange a good animal for a bad one or vice
versa. Any attempt to substitute any other animal other than the tenth
which passed under the rod would be penalized by the farmer forfeiting
both the tenth and its substitute (Lev. 27:33).
10. God ordained the Levites to be
the ones to whom the tithe was paid (Num. 18:21). They were one of the
12 tribes of Israel to whom no inheritance was given in the land. The
Lord Himself and the tithes of the children of Israel was their
inheritance. It was used for the service of the tabernacle (later the
temple) (Num. 18:20-28).
11. It was unlawful for anyone
outside of the tribe of Levi to receive the tithe, such as prophets,
preachers, kings or evangelists.
12. The Levites paid one tenth of
their tithes to the high priest. Not all Levites were priests but only
the sons of Aaron. The priests did not tithe.
13. The Lord Jesus Christ did not
ask for or receive a tithe for support of His ministry. Being of the
tribe of Judah (not Levi) He could not without breaking the law (Heb.
7:14; Rev. 5:5).
14. Neither Peter (not of the tribe
of Levi) nor Paul (of the tribe of Benjamin) could receive tithes for
the support of their ministries.
15. Even the Jews do not practice
tithing today because there are no Levites, priests, or temple worship
in Jerusalem. Jewish rabbis know biblical law well enough to know that
tithing under the present circumstances is unlawful. According to them,
when the temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem with a consecrated altar with
priests and Levites officiating, all Jews living within the biblical
tithing zones will tithe.
16. Those that teach tithing is
binding on believers today use the argument that it predates Moses and
the law. But this reasoning is not valid, for the Sabbath also predates
the giving of the law (Ex.16:23-29) and yet it is not binding on God's
people today (Rom. 14:5-6; Gal. 4:9-10; Col. 2:16-17).
17. Abraham gave tithes to
Melchisedec, king of Salem, but this was the spoils of war, not the
legalistic tithe of the land which Moses commanded. Also, God did not
command the tithe, Abraham chose to give it of his own free will (Gen.
14:17-23; Heb. 7:1-10).
18. The only other scriptural
reference to tithing before Moses is Jacob. Again there is no command to
tithe. In fact Jacob puts up numerous conditions to be met before he
will pay the tithe to the Lord (Gen. 28:20-22).
19. The biblical references which
address the tithing issues are: Gen. 14:20; 28:22; Lev. 27:30-32; Num.
18:20-32; Deut. 12:6-7, 11-12, 17; 14:22-23,28-29; 26:12-15; 2 Chron.
31:1-12; Amos 4:4-5; Mal. 3:8-12; Matt. 23:23; Lk. 11:42; 18:12; Heb.
7:5-10.
20. Paul the apostle to the Gentiles
for this present dispensation of Grace does not mention tithing but
says a great deal about grace giving (Rom. 15:25,26; 1 Cor. 9:7-14;
16:1-3; 2 Cor. 8 & 9; Gal. 6:6-10; Phil. 4:10-19; 1 Tim. 5:9-18). "
--Pastor David O'Steen
We cannot be cursed by the Law, it is an utter impossibility.....
Galatians 3:
[12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
We are NOT under the law, we are under grace:
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
--Eli Caldwell
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