Note: The debate with Brother Herb is so long that the page will not load to blogger posts. I have to break it up in two parts. His latest comments in purple, mine in orange.
Seriously, how many more of these are you planning. You have not settled anything accept that you disagree with the proved and unrefutable MAD Baptist position. Aren't we wasting time? (The Bible says nothing good about debates or time wasting) I will keep going for a little longer so that you won't think I am chicken though.
-Brother Hoss
MAD REPRESENTATIVE HOSS CARTWRIGHT versus HERB EVANS, Part 3
MID ACTS DISPENSATIONALISM
Regarding their Invisible, Mystical, Universal Church of All Believers and their Mystical Baptism
Hoss: Separate bodies of Christ.....sure. "One body" can only mean that there is "one body" period.
Evans: Well, now, look who is making the rules. Neither quantity nor multiplicity are in view in Eph 4:4, 5. Exclusiveness is in view for there be gods many, and though there are many fathers, there is only one God and Father, our heavenly father.
Hoss: I would agree to that to a certain degree.
Hoss: But you take it to mean that every Baptist church is "one body".....so you believe that there are thousands of one bodies?
Evans: Well, I would say that every New Testament church is “one body.” So, yes, there are thousands of the same kind of body.
Hoss: Ain't that nice! The kind of body we are talking about is a "body of Christ". You just admitted that there are thousands of one bodies of Christ, HA! Quack....quack....koo-koo...
Hoss: The Bible talks about many members being in the body of Christ....but never many bodies being in Christ. You cannot count the number of bodies in/of Christ, there is only one. That body is a spiritual one composed of all saved people.
Evans: Still, the Bible talks about many churches and defines the church as the body in Col 1:18, 24.
Hoss: Hey Herb! You have it backwards buddy! The "body" is defined as a church, not the church defined as the body.
Colossians 1:
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church....
[24]......the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church
Here are the other references to the body of Christ in Colossians.
2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
3:
[10] And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
[11] Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
[11] Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
[15] And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Also notice that this epistle was not just for one church.
4:[16] And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
The body of Christ is spiritual......it is also a church......you will find verses that call the spiritual body of Christ the church and you will find verses that the church is the body of Christ. You will not find any verses that say that church always equals body of Christ and body of Christ always equals church.
Hoss: You seem to have the word "church" misunderstood. You have to look at a verses context to see what kind of church it is. "Church" and "body" do not mean the same thing. (though the "one body" is a church)
1 Cor. 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: SO ALSO IS CHRIST. [13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.[14] For the body is not one member, but many. [15] If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? [16] And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? [17] If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?[ 18] But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. [19] And if they were all one member, where were the body? [20] But now are they many members, yet but one body.
Still, there are two different bodies that have many members, the actual physical of Christ in heaven and the local representative body of Christ on earth. 1 Corinthians twelve is all about the local representative body and nothing about any other kind. You care little about context. Your propensity to gravitate to the mystical body that drives you to a bunch of mystical noses, eyes, and ears in heaven. Tell, me since you like to count bodies, how many spiritual noses are there in heaven? Or do you know what metaphors are? Do you know what “SO ALSO IS CHRIST” means in your proof text.
Hoss: Why do you always say "the local representative body"?
Shouldn't you say "all the local representative bodies"? You like to keep your "bodies of Christ" teaching in the closet.
You are the one that does not understand 1 Cor. 12.
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
Ok, just as the human body has many members but is still just one body, so also is Christ. Christ's body = one body with many members. You hyper-Baptist have "one" trouble.
[13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
We got in the body of Christ, not by water baptism, but by a baptism by the Spirit. By does not mean with brother. The Holy Spirit baptizes people into Christ. Christ does not baptize people into himself with the Spirit. Why is that so hard? Because it is against Baptist tradition?
Paul says "we"....not "ye" or "yall". Paul was not a member of this local church.
[14] For the body is not one member, but many.
Now we are getting back to the metaphor of the human body....below you will see that in the body of Christ there are different members with different abilities and gifts that allow it to function---just like the human body.
[15] If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[16] And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
[17] If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
Below you will leave the metaphor.
[18] But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
[19] And if they were all one member, where were the body?
[20] But now are they many members, yet but one body.
There you saw that God put the members in the body. Not the Baptist voting them into the "local body" or the Baptist preacher water buptizing them into it.
Below you will get back to the metaphor....
[21] And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
[22] Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
[23] And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
[24] For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
[25] That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
[26] And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
[22] Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
[23] And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
[24] For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
[25] That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
[26] And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
There you saw that all the members of the body of Christ should work together and comfort each other.....you will saw that Paul was teaching that there is no Jew, Gentile, bond, free, male, female but that they are all in the body of Christ. This can only be a metaphor for a spiritual body, friend. There are males and females in your local assembly.
Let's finish the chapter..,.
[27] Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
This "local church" is the body of Christ. All the members are assumibly saved and so they are the body of Christ----but they are members in particular....not the entire body.
[28] And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
[29] Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
[30] Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
[31] But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Again, you saw that God is the one putting people in the body of Christ....not the Buptizer or the voters.
Hoss: So even though there is only "one body" I can still point at churches as I drive down the road and say "there is a body...there's another....oh I see another one....oh wait that one doesn't count since they aren't Baptist".
Evans: Not unless you think the building is the church or the body.
Hoss: But I could say it meaning the people inside the church building?
Hoss: Yes...but I don't think you understand.
Evans: Dittos!
Hoss: So if someone start a church, it is not arrogant to say "look, I started a body of Christ....I let me water baptize you and let me put you in this body of Christ that I created". Yep....plain loony.
Evans: It is looney to frame and color my doctrine that way in order to mock it.
Hoss: That is your doctrine....it's just so very mockable.
Hoss: Loony...again.
Evans: Looney objections require looney responses.
Hoss: In general that is true. Amen brother!
Hoss: Yes, "difficult" it is. Paul says "we" when he is talking about being in the body of Christ. Did Paul leave the Corinthians church and join the Romans? How exactly did that work?
1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Romans 12:[4] For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Evans: Are you denying that Paul was a member of a local church? The fact that Paul used an editorial “we” in many of his comments does not mean that he was in any mystical body. What it does do is demonstrate that Paul shared a common experience with the Corinthians and the Romans.
Hoss: "Editorial we" is not mentioned in the Bible and you cannot prove your statement.
Hoss: Interesting, so if I got buptized but then left my church I got out of the body of Christ?
I do agree that "in Christ" does not mean being in the body of Christ. I dealt with that in my Ephesians PDF notes. Look at your words "suppose you were a member of some body of Christ " some body of Christ. Go ahead and confess...how many bodies of Christ do you estimate there are? Again, "one body" mean "one body". There are many physical churches, but not every church is the body of Christ. The body of Christ is spiritual, but it is called a church as it fits the definition.
Evans: Your Campbellite imitation notwithstanding, the quantity in Eph 4:4, 5 is not in view nor is the multiplicity of things in the verse. The ONE body, ONE baptism, ONE God, and ONE Father refer to the exclusiveness of the ONE to the exclusion of all others.
Hoss: Questions: Which baptism is the one used in the passage and which are excluded? What faith is mentioned and which are excluded?
Hoss: You contradicted 1 Cor. 10:17 and Eph. 3:6.
Evans: Is all you have to do is charge a contradiction without specifying what the contradiction is and give only scriptural addresses with any rationale’?
Hoss: I get the feeling that if I listed the contradictions and how you created them you would not answer due to its long length.
Hoss: The members (who are in the body of Christ) assemble together, but there is only one body of Christ. Not many one bodies of Christ as you suggest.
Evans: So, you are saying that your Mystical body of Christ ASSEMBLE TOGETHER. where?
Hoss: The members of the spiritual body of Christ (which is a type of church) assemble together all the time to study, preach, and teach God's word. Some do it in houses, tents, shacks, or big fancy buildings with stain glass. Usually it fits the definition of "church".
Hoss: 1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
In the physical church there are men and women, blacks and whites, etc. but in the body of Christ there is no difference, no distinction, all are one in Christ's body. Again, the "local church" is not the body of Christ but it contains members who are in the body of Christ.
You do not believe in one spiritual body of Christ that all saved people are in. You believe in many one bodies that you call "local churches". Which is why you are so confused.....
Evans: Well, you correctly have said that in the physical church body that there are certain distinctions but then the proof text that you have used (1 Cor. 12:13) has those distinctions. Do you have a verse, like Gal 3:28, that mandates that those in the body of Christ do not have those distinctions, EXCEPT IN CHRIST?
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Hoss: I am not sure what you are saying....but here is scripture clearly talking about our standing in the body of Christ, which is spiritual.
Col. 3:
[10] And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
[11] Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
[11] Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Hoss: Those are the same ol Ruckman type arguments against Paul being the first one in the body of Christ.
Evans: Which means that you do not have to answer each of these points? So, know all you have to do is equivocate with muddy water?
Hoss: It means that your aguements are the same ol stuff that has already been dealt with. Send me an email if you have specific questions on when the body of Christ started.
Hoss: "In Christ" does not mean being in the body of Christ.
Evans: True, but I thought that I already said that.
Hoss: I said it first in my Ephesians notes PDF I sent which you should read...it is much more in depth on when the body of Christ started.
Hoss: Not every "Church" is the body of Christ. God has had many churches throughout different ages.
Evans: True. That is why there is only ONE body, the local New Testament church.
Hoss: Now that is a pile of it. 
We have both gone back and forth about if the one body of Christ is spiritual or if it is actually thousands of individual groups who gather together. There are many NT churches...the kingdom gospel believers had church.....the "mystery age" believers meet together as well. NT right division is beyond your intellect.
Hoss: Acts 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Evans: Of course, this was not the body of Christ but it was a literal assembly and not some intangible thingie.
Hoss: YES! This church is a called out assembly on earth. The one body of Christ is a spiritual assembly of all believers. Again, something we have agreed to disagree on apparently.
Hoss: Hebrews 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Evans: Curiously this was a prophecy of the New Testament church singing after the Lord’s Supper and the declaration of His name in the midst of the congregation per Psalms 22:22. Again, a tangible church or congregation. Nevertheless, the body metaphor was not used until the epistles, but the flock metaphor was used by Jesus and also in Acts.
Psa 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
Hoss: You just made that up. This mystery age and the Lord's supper ordinance was a mystery kept secret from the prophets.
Hoss: There is the kingdom believers who believed and preached the kingdom gospel in the kingdom church (Matt.-Acts). John and Peter's message was a prophesied kingdom, prophesied king, etc. but Paul's message was not revealed, it was a mystery that h received by revelation.
Evans: Tell us a little more about these kingdom believers and kingdom gospel. Did it have anything to do with the kingdom that could not be seem or entered unless a person was born again? How many kinds of new births are there?
John 3:3 - 6 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Hoss: "Born again" is not a term for just individual salvation. If you want to learn more of what I am saying you can read my article. (this would be twice as long of a message if I typed it here.
Hoss: There are several gospels, several churches, but one body of Christ.
Evans: I ditched that idea with Scofied.
Hoss: You might as well ditch the Bible as you are denying such clear teaching. Send me an email saying what the gospel was in the gospels and early Acts and how it is exactly what Paul preached.
Hoss: 1 Tim. 1:11 - 16 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.[12] And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;[13] Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.[14] And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.[15] This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.[16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Paul's gospel was a mystery, it was a revelation given to Paul, by believing that gospel is how we get in that body. We partake of that "one bread", we believe the "preaching of the cross". This is what we are debating about http://av1611studyblog.
Evans: Obviously, there is only one GLORIOUS GOSPEL. All I see here is that this gospel was committed to Paul rather than Paul getting a new gospel. The gospel of Eternal life was a fact and a possession in the 4 gospels. Their names were even written in heaven then. Do you get IN CHRIST differently than the way that you get in the body?
Hoss: You did not address verse 16 about the "in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.". The only way t have eternal life is through Christ, you came through Christ in different ways though.
Depends on which gospel Christ gave you in your age. I have already dealt with this. Do what Jesus said and keep the law and sell all that you have if you want. Or go with the gospel Christ gave Paul by revelation.
Hoss: You did not pay attention. Look at your words ''assemble as a body of Christ locally". There is never a body of Christ in the Bible, there is THE body of Christ which there is only one of.
Evans: While you are correct about the definite article and indefinite article. The Corinthian Local Church was told that “YE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST and members IN PARTICULAR.” The same can be said for the other local churches separately, to be THE body of Christ, so you cannot say that that they collectively that they were the body of Christ, therefore when explaining each one, I us the rem a body of Christ. You can explore this further in Ephesians where you have THE husband and THE wife and also a husband and a wife, as you go from the generic to the particular. Thank you Jesus! Praise de Lawd! Does I have a witness?
Hoss: I have no idea what you just said. Perhaps a little Bible reading will set me straight. Have a good one!
Hoss: There is one body of Christ that is spiritual, all a local church is is a bunch of people getting together who are members of the spiritual body of Christ trying to teach the word and serve God.
Evans: So, here we have Hoss showing his low regard for the local church that Christ died for as he sees it not being spiritual like his mystical church in the sky. Of course, if we would explore this further, we would find that water baptism is not spiritual either or Hoss would not remain unbaptized because Hoss got the big one.
Hoss: I never said I would never get buptized. Anyway, the local church has fights, splits, division, and can fail in every way imaginable. I have very low regard for people and there assemblies. I do admire a congregation that still believes the Bible and is trying to follow God'S word rightly divided the best they know how.
Hoss: Yeah...pastrami would have been more witty at that point.
Evans: Actually, the real butchers are those that chop up the scriptures in the name of rightly dividing.
Hoss: We must divide and cut so that we don't get choked on false doctrine.
Hoss: I already did...
Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs (HOW?), and of the same body (HOW?), and partakers of his promise in Christ (HOW?) by the gospel. Yep...that's what I thought it said, BY THE GOSPEL! NOT YOUR WATER BUPTISM.
Also see 1 Cor. 10:16-17.
Evans: No! All you did is ask questions, Show me the phrase where they got into the same body BY THE GOSPEL. It is not there although partakers of the same promises is there. Pleasw TRY to be honest! I would appreciate if you would not post naked addresses without a rationale’. 1 Cor 10:16 -18 says nothing about being put in the body BY THE GOSPEL. That is a figment of your imagination. You better do a study on metaphors. The next thing you will be doing is talking about the one, invisible, mystical, universal bread.
1Co 10:16 - 18 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
Hoss: For the 1000th time.....let's do it again.
Ephesians 2:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
So you are telling me that Christ "abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances" only create more ordinances and commandments to achieve full spiritual standing? (i.e. water buptism and church membership)
True the body of Christ does have ordinances and commandments (Rom. 13, 1 Cor.11), but not to move up in the hierarchy of spiritual standing.
[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
"By" does not mean "at", "by" answers the question "how?" How did God "reconcile both unto God in one body"? BY the cross. It does not say "at" the cross.
Paul's gospel that he received by revelation is called the "preaching of the cross". (1 Cor. 1:17-18)
[17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[18] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
[20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
[21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
[22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
[21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
[22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Does that sound like a a few believers assembling together locally to you?
Anyway, that was free. Back to my point. We are in one body how? BY THE CROSS. (the Christ's death on the cross is the center piece of our gospel---it is even called "the preaching of the cross".
Eph. 3:
[1] For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
[2] If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward:
[3] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[4] Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[2] If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward:
[3] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[4] Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
As you can see, a new dispensation was given through Paul which was a mystery/secret that no one else knew about. What is this mystery?
[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
[7] Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
[7] Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
There is where you get stuck (verse 6). There is a parenthetical-type statement in commas (forget what it is called in grammar) and then there is the rest of the sentence. Let's read it without the part in commas.
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Both items are "by the gospel".
Now with the parenthetical-type statement in commas back in.
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
All three items are by the gospel. You are right, "list" is not the right word.
Anyway...let's checkout 1 Cor. 10 now.
[16] The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
[17] For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
[17] For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
Herby, communion is the body of Christ celebrating that which is mentioned in Ephesians 2:11-22 by having the memorial. Verse 17 says why we have communion. Verse 17 is not saying how we do communion but WHY we do it. Note the word "for"!
Why we do communion.....
"FOR we being many are one bread, and one body"
Why we are one body.....
"FOR we are all partakers of that one bread."
That "one bread" is referring to Christ's body on the cross (His death), we are one body because we PARTOOK of that. How did we partake of that? By you water buptism? By your church membership? Any other good works? Nope......
Rom. 3:
[21] But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[22] Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[26] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
[22] Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[26] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
We partake of Christ's death by believing the gospel and trusting Christ.
The gospel is found in Rom. 3-4, 1 Cor. 1,2, and 15, Col . 1:14, Eph. 1:7, 2:8-9, Titus 3:5.
After Paul established what communion is and why we do it, he finishes by saying that both the Jews and Gentiles have the wrong sacrifice and that we cannot partake of both the Lord's table and that of devils.
[18] Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the alter?
[19] What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
[20] But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
[21] Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
[19] What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
[20] But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
[21] Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
Is that enough for you? To much Bible perhaps? Is it to much against Baptist tradition?
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