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Wednesday, February 24, 2016

"The King James Only Controversy" by Trevin Wax

In red font is an article called "The King James Only Controversy" by Trevin Wax. My refutation is in brackets.  --Eli Caldwell

"The King James Only Controversy" by Trevin Wax
Occasionally, someone will ask me what I think about the King James Only controversy raging in some of the fundamentalist circles of independent Baptist life. Having grown up around many KJV-Onlyers, I can only express sadness that the conservative independent Baptists continue to separate from each other over unimportant matters.

[Unimportant matters? You do not believe that the issue of where is the word of God today is an important issue? No Bible believing Christian would ever say such a thing. You are disgusting at best.]

The fundamentalist movement is cocooning itself into a safe web of tradition that will eventually squeeze the very life out of it. It used to be that independent Baptists separated themselves from other Christians over important doctrines, such as the virgin birth of Christ or the inspiration of the Scriptures. Today, the independents are separating, even among themselves, over issues such as Bible translations, music style, and dress.

[First of all, the KJB is not just a Baptist issue. The Grace Movement is largely KJB Only, and there are even KJB Only Seventh Day Adventists, Pentecostals, Campbellites, and others. Number 2, the inspiration of Scripture is what we are talking about! The issue is do we have the inspired word of God today or is the Bible only a dead book? I believe the KJB is the inspired word of God, YOU believe it is a dead book. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Pet. 1:23) The Bible is the central issue for all Christians, without it, we wouldn't even have Christianity.] 

Rising to the forefront of the fundamentalist squabbles is the King James Only controversy. Some groups are claiming that this is the hill on which to die, the main issue by which to tell a fundamentalist from a liberal.

[It is. A fundamentalist wants to grow by the word of God (1 Pet. 2:2), a liberal like yourself does not even believe in the holiness and purity of the word of God. You believe that the inspired word of God is nowhere on the earth right now, therefore you are most likely not a Christian. You do not profess to have the words of eternal life (John 5:39, 6:68, 2 Tim. 3:15-17).] 

So what is it anyway? The King James Only controversy is essentially a conspiracy theory that claims that all modern translations of Scripture are based on tainted manuscripts and that their translators are driven by a liberal Protestant or Roman Catholic (or even one-world government) agenda. This theory manifests itself in various forms, some of which are more extreme than others.

[Wrong again. King James Onlyism is the belief that the pure words of God have been preserved through the centuries and that we have an English copy of it in the King James Bible. We believe that the King James Bible is the inspired word of God without error and that there are "many" corruptions out there (2 Cor. 2:17). We believe that the modern versions are inspired by Satan because they attack Christ as Lord, God, and Savior. (among dozens of other problems) You liberals do not even acknowledge that Satan seeks to corrupt the word of God!]

KJV Only Arguments

 1. The King James Version is based on the “Majority Text” over against the modern versions that are based on the corrupt “Alexandrian Texts.”

 Response: Most of the Byzantine texts used by the King James translators come from the 11th and 12th centuries. We have since discovered many older and more reliable manuscripts, which are closer to the original writings of the Bible authors. By comparing the earlier manuscripts to the later ones, we can see how the flourishes and additions of scribes can corrupt a text over time, leading us to believe that many of the “Alexandrian manuscripts” are closer to the originals and the majority of Byzantine texts altered. If the controversy were truly a textual issue, one wonders why the Greek scholars in the KJV camp have not come up with a modern English translation based on the texts they deem “inspired.” The textual issue is actually a smokescreen which hides the true reason for rejecting modern versions: any update of the KJV is considered tampering with God’s Word.

[Mr. Wax, you are operating in total error. 

First of all, the KJB translators did not just base the KJB on Byzantine texts. The KJB is from "the original tongues and with former translations diligently compared and revised". The sources used by the translators were plentiful...TRANSLATIONS: the Complutension Polyglot of 1517, the Antwerp Polyglot of 1572, the writings of Chrysostom (347-407), Martin Luther’s German (1545), John Wycliff’s Bible of 1384, William Tyndale’s translation of 1525, Myles Coverdale’s of 1535, John Roger’s Matthew’s translation of 1537, The Great Bible of 1539, Richard Tavener’s of 1539, Geneva of 1560, the Nurnberg Polyglot 1599, the Syriac of Widmanstadt of 1555, Tremellius of 1559,
the Spanish de Reina 1569, de Velara of 1602, the French of d'Etaples 1530; Olivetan 1535; the Louvain faculty 1550, the Geneva pastors of 1588, the Italian of Brucioli 1530, the Diodate 1607, 
the Zurich 1529, Latin versions of Paginus 1528; Juda 1543; Castalio 1551; Montanus 1572; Tremellius 1579, and the Vulgate. HEBREW: the Soncino Hebrew text of 1488, Bomberg's of 1516,
the Rabbinic Bibles of Pratensis of 1517, the Ben Chayim of 1525, The Stephanus of 1539,  GREEK: Erasmus of 1516, 1519, 1522, 1527 and 1535, Colineaus 1534; Stephanus 1546, 1549, 1550 and 1535; Beza of 1565, 1582, 1588 and 1598. It is also important to note that they had the Roman Catholic readings found in Vaticanus, Siniaticus, NIV, NASV, TLB, AMP, etc. in the Rheims-Douai of 1582.

Secondly, the Byzantine text is supported by many early witnesses, not just 11th and 12th century manuscripts. http://textus-receptus.com/wiki/Main_Page
Greek manuscript evidences point to a Byzantine/Textus Receptus majority.
Despite your effort to make King James Onlyism look like a wacko conspiracy theory, the argument has been supported by many highly educated people, such as Dean John Burgon and Dr. Edward Hills. 

Get this....EARLY dates do not make a manuscript accurate. There are several things that you MUST know in order to determine the accuracy of a manuscript: WHAT was it copied from, WHO copied it, WHY did they copy it, and WHERE did they copy it? Early/late has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

I recommend that you get a copy of Dr. Laurence Vance's NASB Update and Dr. Sam Gipp's Reintroduction of Textus Receptus Readings In the Nestle/Aland Text. The modern versions have actually started GOING BACK to the KJB Byzantine readings. Here is a small sample:
http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/q-hasnt-modern-textual-criticism-determined-the-correct-readings

Mark 1:1:
    • The KJV says, "the Son of God;"
    • The TNIV of 2005 omitted the phrase.
    • The NIV 2011 put the phrase back into the text.
Mark 10:7: 
  • The KJV says, “cleave to his wife.” 
  • The NASB of 1977 and 1995 omitted the phrase. 
  • The ESV of 2001 put the phrase back into the text.
Luke 24:6: 
  • The KJV says, “He is not here, but is risen:” 
  • The RSV of 1971 omitted the phrase. 
  • The NRSV of 1989 put the phrase back into the text at the end of the previous verse.
Luke 24:12: 
  • The KJV says, “Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.” 
  • The RSV of 1971 omitted the phrase. 
  • The NRSV of 1989 put the phrase back into the text.
Luke 24:36: 
  • The KJV says, “And saith unto them, Peace be unto you.” 
  • The NASB of 1977 and RSV of 1971 omitted the phrase. 
  • The NASB of 1995 and the NRSV of 1989 put the phrase back into the text.
Luke 24:40: 
  • The KJV says, “And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.” 
  • The RSV of 1971 omitted the phrase. 
  • The NRSV of 1989 put the phrase back into the text.
Luke 24:51: 
  • The KJV says, “and carried up into heaven.” 
  • The NASB of 1977 omitted the phrase. 
  • The NASB of 1995 put the phrase back into the text.
Luke 24:52: 
  • The KJV says, “worshipped him.” 
  • The NASB of 1977 and the RSV of 1971 omitted the phrase. 
  • The NASB of 1995 and the NRSV of 1989 put the phrase back into the text.
Romans 15:19: 
  • The KJV says, “spirit of God.” 
  • The NIV of 1984 omitted "of God". 
  • The NIV of 2010 put the phrase back into the text.
1 Corinthians 10:9: 
    • The KJV says not to tempt, “Christ.” 
    • The RSV of 1971 says not to tempt "the Lord". 
    • The NRSV of 1989 goes back to "Christ".
Colossians 3:6:
  • The KJV says, “on the children of disobedience.”
  • The NASB of 1977 omitted the phrase.
  • The NASB of 1995 put the phrase back into the text.
 
1 Peter 5:2 
  • The KJV says, “taking the oversight thereof.” 
  • The RSV of 1971 omitted the phrase.
  • The NRSV of 1989 put the phrase back into the text.
     

2. The modern translations attack the deity of Christ by removing references to his lordship.

 Response: The Byzantine texts have the additional “Lord” and “Christ” added to the name of Jesus in many places where the older, more reliable texts do not. These are most surely the results of ambitious scribes, seeking to show reverence to the Savior or simply making mistakes in copying manuscripts. There are many examples where the deity of Christ is made clearer in modern translations than in the KJV. (Jude 4, Phil. 2:6-7, Acts 16:7, 1 Peter 3:14-15, John 14:14)

[What makes you say that the modern versions are based on "older" and "more reliable"?

This is what you are talking about...

The underlined PHRASES are DELETED in the New International Version. (not counting the entire verses that the NIV omits)

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness.
Matthew 8:29 And behold, they cried out saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God?
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house.
Matthew 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
Matthew 15:30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them.
Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. 
Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, because of your unbelief,
Matthew 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him.
Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God.
Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God and cast out all them that sold and bought. 
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 
Matthew 22:32 God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another.
Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Mark 5:13     And forthwith Jesus gave them leave.
6:33     And the people saw them departing, and many knew him, and ran afoot.
            thither out of all cities, and outwent them, and came together unto him.
7:27     But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled.
9:24     The father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord.
11:10   Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord.
11:14   And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee.
11:26   But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
12:27   He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living.
14:45   and saith, Master, master; and kissed him.
Luke 2:40    And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit.
4:4      man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
4:41    Thou art Christ the Son of God.
7:22    Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way.
7:31    And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation?
9:56     For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.
9:57     Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
12:31   But rather seek ye the kingdom of God.
13:25   Lord, Lord open to us.
21:4     For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God.
22:31   And the Lord said, Simon, Simon.
23:42   And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me.
John 4:16    Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband.
4:42    and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
4:46    So Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee.
5:30    because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
6:39     And this is the Father's will which hath sent me.
6:69     And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
8:20     These words spake Jesus in the treasury.
8:29     the Father hath not left me alone.
9:35     Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
16:16   a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
19:38   He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
Acts 2:30     according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.
3:26     Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus.
4:24     Lord, thou art God.
7:30     there appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sina an angel of the Lord.
7:32     I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
7:37     A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren like unto me; him shall ye hear.
8:37     And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
9:5-6    And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise.
9:29     And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus.
15:11   through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
15:18    Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
16:31    Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
19:4      that they should believe on him which should come after him, that  is, on Christ Jesus.
19:10    so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus.
20:21    repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
20:25    among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God.
22:16    wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
23:9      let us not fight against God.
Romans 1:16     For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ.
6:11     alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
8:1       There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ. Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
14:6     He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord.
15:8     Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision.
15:19   Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God.
16:18   For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ.
16:24   The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
I Corinthians 1:14     I thank God that I baptized none of you.
5:4      In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together.
5:5      that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6:20    glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
9:1      have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord?
9:18    Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge.
10:28   for the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof.
15:47   the second man is the Lord from heaven.
16:22   If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema.
16:23   The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
II Corinthians 4:6       the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
4:10     Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus.
5:18     hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ.
10:7     that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.
11:31   The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 3:17     the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ.
4:7       heir of God through Christ.
6:15     For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing.
6:17     I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
Ephesians 3:9       God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.
3:14     I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
5:9       For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness.
Philippians 4:13      I can do all things through Christ.
Colossians 1:2       peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1:28     that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.
2:2       to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ.
I Thessalonians 1:1       peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2:19     in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
3:11     Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
3:13     at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
II Thessalonians 1:8       that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1:12     That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified.
2:4,      so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God.
I Timothy 1:1       and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope.
2:7       speak the truth in Christ, and lie not.
3:16     And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh.
5:21     I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
II Timothy 4:1       I charge thee therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
4:22     The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit.
Titus 1:4       from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Philemon 6          every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 3:1       the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus.
10:9     Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God.
10:30   I will recompense, saith the Lord.
I Peter 1:22     Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit.
5:10     who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus.
5:14     Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
I John 1:7       the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
3:16     Hereby perceive we the love of God.
4:3       And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God.
5:7-8    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
5:13     and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
II John 3          and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
9          He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Jude 4          denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:8       I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.
1:9       the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1:11     Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.
5:14     the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
12:17   and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
14:5     they are without fault before the throne of God.
16:5     Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be.
19:1     glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
20:9     and there came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
20:12   And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God.
21:4     And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
22:21   The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. ]






 3. Heretics, occultists and homosexuals were on the translation committees of modern versions.
Response: This is an all-out attack on the character of faithful believers who have sought to use their linguistic skills in offering an accurate translation of the Scriptures. The biblical linguist B.F. Westcott is consistently attacked, due to negligence in confusing him with the spiritualist W.W. Westcott. If there is anyone whose salvation should be questioned due to their “fruit,” it would be some of the extremist KJV Only advocates, whose polemic, vicious rhetoric is not becoming of a believer in Christ.

[There is too much info on this topic for me to discuss in this post, but see Dr. Gipp's chapter on Wescott and Hort in this ebook version of An Understandable History of the Bible. ] http://samgipp.com/historybook/?page=8.htm

4. The modern translations delete verses from the Bible.

 Response: Based on the older and more reliable manuscripts, the modern translations have simply sought to reflect what was contained in the original manuscripts. It is just as serious to add to Scripture, as it is to take away from Scripture. The starting-point for KJV Only advocates is that the KJV is the standard to which all other translations must bow, which is also the position they seek to prove. Thus, they employ circular reasoning that will not allow them to see any other position as possibly correct.

[Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You are employing the same "circular reasoning". Your position is that the Alexandrian manuscripts are older and better and they have less verses than the KJB, therefore the KJB added verses. The King James Only position is that the KJB is the pure word of God and the Alexandrian texts have less verses, therefore they omit verses. We are BOTH using that type of reasoning.

As for the KJB being the "standard" to which we compare modern versions, it is an obvious fact that the KJB is the standard. The modern versions compare themselves to the King James Bible when they come out. The RV, ASV, RSV, NIV, NKJV, NASB, etc. ALL compared themselves to the KJB when they came out, admitting that the KJB is the standard that they should compare to. 

Further proof that the modern version translators admit that the KJB is the standard is apparent by looking at how they used the KJB verse numbering system!

The KJB in Acts 8:36-38
"[36] And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? [37] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. [38] And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."

The NIV in Acts 8:36-38
"36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him." 

 Notice that the NIV omitted Acts 8:37, yet they put the THIRTY-SEVEN mark in the text rather than making verse 38 the new verse 37. They keep the KJB as the standard for which verse is which.]
 

5. The 1611 Authorized Version is the preserved Word of God in English.

 Response: No one today reads from the 1611 version, which also included the Apocrypha. The 1769 revision is the most common version of the King James translation, and this one includes thousands of differences compared to the original.

[Actually I have a 1611 facsimile and have read it several times. There have been no "revisions" in the KJB, only multiple editions which corrected the printing errors and updated the spelling. That is a proven fact and whole books have been written on that subject. The "thousands of differences" are things like spelling "son" as "sonne". There have been no translational changes whatsoever.

It is disgusting that you try to make it look like the original KJB had the apocryopha in the text--it did NOT. The original KJB had the apocrypha BETWEEN the testaments set aside from "the prophets" and the NT. You are also using a DOUBLE standard because your so called "oldest and best manuscripts" contain the apocrypha WITHIN THE OLD TESTAMENT and Siniacitcus has the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas in the New Testament! Vaticanus adds these books: Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Judith, Tobit, Baruch. Siniaticus adds the epistle of Barnabas and the shepherd of Hermes to the New Testament and it adds Maccabees, Judith, Tobit, Sirach, and Wisdom to the Old Testament. 

Also see this article:  http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/editions

"There have been many printings of the King James Version (KJV). The first printing was in 1611. Early printings contained many typographical errors due to printing errors. Major attempts to standardize the text were conducted in 1629 (Cambridge), 1638 (Cambridge), 1762 (by Dr. F. S. Parris, published by Cambridge), and 1769 (by Dr. Benjamin Blayney, published by Oxford). The 1769 Oxford edition has updated spelling and grammar and is a trustworthy edition that is widely used today. Dr. F. H. A. Scrivener conducted a meticulous standardization of the KJV from 1866 to 1873, resulting in the 1873 Cambridge edition. The differences between the 1611 edition and the later editions are due to corrections of obvious printing errors (including words that were accidentally omitted), the standardization and updating of spelling, and the updating of punctuation and paragraph marks.

Removal of the Apocrypha

The Apocrypha was included in early printings of the KJV.  The Church of England, having come out of the Roman Catholic Church, had continued the practice of including the Apocryphal books in the Bible.  However, the Church of England has a history of disregarding the Apocrypha as doctrinally instructive scripture.  King James himself said, “As to the Apocriphe bookes, I omit them because I am no Papist” (Book I:13, Basilicon Doron).  Article 6 of the Thirty-nine Articles of Religion established by the Episcopal Church in the United States of America in 1801, referring to the Apocrypha, states: "And the other Books (as Hierome saith) the Church doth read for example of life and instruction of manners; but yet doth it not apply them to establish any doctrine;" (Thirty-nine Articles of Religion).  The modern position of the Church of England affirms the Thirty-nine Articles of Religion, stating: "The Thirty-nine Articles are agreeable to the Word of God and may be assented unto with a good conscience by all members of the Church of England" (The Canons of the Church of England, 6th Ed. (2000), A 2 Of the Thirty-nine Articles of Religion).

There were many reasons to include the Apocrypha within the pages of the Bible during the 17th century.  Protestants of the time were deeply engaged in debates with Catholics over doctrine, so Protestant pastors and theologians were served well by being well-acquainted with the Apocrypha which formed the basis of several Catholic doctrines.  Some books, such as Maccabees and Sirach, are quoted in the Talmud; so familiarity with the Apocrypha can be helpful to understand Judaism during the time of Jesus Christ.  The fulfillment of some Old testament prophecies, such as those in Daniel, can be confirmed by the historical information in the Apocryphal books such as Maccabees.  Despite its inclusion in the KJV, however, the translators did not consider the Apocrypha as part of scripture. Whereas Catholic Bibles included the Apocryphal books mixed with scripture, the KJV separates the Apocryphal books and labels them with the irreverent generic running head, “Apocrypha” (which means “obscure”).  The Apocrypha is no more inspired than are other things that might be included in today’s editions of the Bible, such as study notes, book introductions, devotional tips, etc.  We can just as well say about some study notes that they are to be "read for example of life and instruction of manners" but not to "establish any doctrine".  The Apocrypha is not included in most publications of the KJV today." 

6. The modern translations promote a “works-salvation.”

 Response: Virtually all of today’s cults (excepting the Jehovah’s Witnesses) prefer the King James version over the rest, including the Mormons, who also preach a “works-salvation.” Of course, this does not negate the worth of the King James version, but we could use this argument if we were to employ the same tactics of the KJV Only crowd. Compare Revelation 22:14: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (KJV) Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. (ESV) If we were to use the KJV Only logic, we could assume on the basis of this verse that the King James translators were conspiring to take us back to the chains of Catholicism, while the ESV translators are translating faithfully God’s Word. Of course, this would be a ridiculous assumption, but it is the kind of reasoning that KJV Only advocates employ. Even John R. Rice, the founder of the (now KJV-Only) Sword of the Lord admitted in Our God-Breathed Book – The Bible that the KJV renders Revelation 22:14 incorrectly and that the ASV is more accurate here.

[Actually, the KJB is correct there. Works are required for salvation during Daniel's 70th Week (Day of the Lord), which is the audience of Revelation (Rev. 1:10). The ESV says "wash their robes", which is also a work.]

7. The newer versions include footnotes which offer different renderings of certain words or verses. These footnotes confuse the reader and undermine the doctrine of inspiration.

 Response: The 1611 King James Version also included thousands of footnotes which offered different readings for different verses. We should be grateful for today’s translators, who in the spirit of the King James tradition, have been intellectually honest when rendering exceptionally difficult verses about the limits to their knowledge.

[The reason we complain about the footnotes in the modern versions is because those notes suggest that entire verses do not belong in the text, the only reason they leave them in the text is because nobody would buy a Bible that was missing so many verses. Check your NIV, ESV, or NASB at the last twelve verses of Mark or John 8:1-11 and look at the footnotes. The KJB translators were more honest, when they believed a reading was false they didn't put it in the text.]

Conclusion

  Like with anyone who expounds a conspiracy theory, it is usually fruitless to try to reason with the KJV Only crowd. One should seek to prod these brothers and sisters to a correct understanding with love and patience, realizing that most efforts will be spurned and may turn out in vain.

[Tell that to James R. White, author of The King James Only Controversy, who gets mad and calls KJB believers a "cult" because they do not agree with him.] 
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John Davis TfT Acts 2:38 confusion

It is hard to tell what Mr. Davis believes, he contradicts himself too many times. Is Acts 2:38 the gospel of the grace of God that we believe today, or is it the gospel of the kingdom that ceased to be preached when Israel fell?

If you believe Acts 2v38 is the Gospel FOR TODAY, you are a DODO!!!
"If you preach & teach Acts 2v38 as the Gospel for today, you ought to quit the ministry & become a lollypop lady! Christians who think that Acts 2v38 is the plan of salvation for today, are so shallow in the Scriptures that they ought to go back to Sunday school & enroll again. One very shallow lady who is in a CULT, recently emailed telling me that she is trusting Acts 2v38 to get her to Heaven! I told her that when she died she would GO TO HELL! If you are trusting Acts 2v38 to get you to Heaven, you will land up IN HELL! ‘Works’ has NO PART of salvation or justification in this dispensation! If you don’t get that, you need help! Christians who teach that Acts 2v38 IS the plan of salvation for today, are so shallow in the Scriptures that they would drown in the skin of a bowl of rice pudding! Folks, I am constantly amazed at just how dumb Christians can be & how little they read their Bibles!"
(Time for Truth News! Issue 72 July-October 2014)

"Those baptized in Acts 2v38-41 still received the gift of the Holy Ghost and were saved as anyone having salvation today, 3000 being added unto them i.e. the apostles, Acts 2v41."
(Tim for Truth News! Issue 75 April-May 2015)
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Tuesday, February 23, 2016

The Trinity is easy to understand

Some people say that they do not believe in the Trinity because it "does not make sense" or "it is hard to understand". Yet some how these same people understand that the U.S. has one government divided into Legislative, Executive, and Judicial. One government in three separate branches (Articles I, II, III). Some how they understand that one person is made up of body, soul, and spirit (1 Thes. 5:23). Some how they understand that two people can become "one flesh" and have one name (Gen. 2:24, 5:2).

 There is nothing hard about the Trinity.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 
(1 John 5:7)
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James White's heretical hyper-Calvinism

"God, from eternity past, having foreordained all things, joined a certain people to Christ Jesus, so that He might redeem them from their sin and in so doing bring glory to Himself."
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/statement-of-faith/ 

 It is clear that James White is a hyper-Calvinist that believes God foreordained all things from eternity past, which would also include all the sins man has ever committed. James White believes that all adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like were all foreordained by God in eternity past. 

 James White believes that certain people were "joined to Christ" in eternity past before they even existed. That is dumb, you cannot be joined to Christ before you even exist!

 James White believes that Christ only died for a certain people, not for everybody. (limited atonement) Very heretical and contrary to all the verses that say Christ died for "all", "every man", "many", and "the whole world". 

 James White believes that everyone in hell right now is there because Christ did not give them the ability to believe the gospel and because He did not die for them anyway. Hyper-Calvinism teaches that all sin is a direct creation of God that He foreordained in eternity past. 

Contrary to Calvinism, man has a "freewill" (Lev. 22:18, 22:1, 22:23, 23:38, Numb. 15:3, 29:39, Deut. 12:6, 12:17, 16:10, 23:23, 2 Chr. 31:14, Ezra 1:4, 3:5, 7:13, 7:16, 8:28, Ps. 119:108). The Bible constantly mentions man doing things "willingly" and of his own heart.
Contrary to Calvinism, Christ died for "all", "every man", and the "world" (John 1:9, 1:29, 3:16-17, 4:42, 6:33, 6:51, 8:12, 9:5, 12:32, Rom. 5:12, 5:18, 11:12, 11:15, 2 Cor. 5:14-15, 5:19, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Col. 1:28, Eph. 3:9, 1 Tim. 2:4, 4:10, Tit. 2:11)

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

The truth is....Calvinist attack the grace of God (Heb. 2:9)....they attack the love of God (John 3:16)....and they attack the power of God, that He cannot get man to do His will without making him do it (like a robot). 

God is so powerful that He has given man a freewill (a Bible term) and still uses man to do His will (Acts 2:23). Yet the Calvinist do not believe that God has that kind of power.

 --Eli Caldwell

 
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Where are James White's "inspired Scriptures"?

Notice the following statements from James White's statement of faith:
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/statement-of-faith/

"We believe the Bible to be the written revelation of God, complete and sufficient in all respects. We believe the Scriptures to be “God-breathed” and therefore fully authoritative in and of themselves; they rely for their authority upon no church, council, or creed, but are authoritative simply because they are the Word of God. The Scriptures, as they embody the very speaking of God, partake of His authority, His power."

"We believe that Christ is coming again to judge the living and the dead. This promise is found throughout the inspired Scriptures."

Questions for James White...

1.) You say "the Bible is...complete". Which Bible? You say it is not the KJB, so which is it? Is it in English? Is it in Greek? The word "Bible" means book, so I assume I can get a copy of it in one volume?

2.) You say "We believe the Scriptures to be “God-breathed”" Which Scriptures? What specifically are you referring to? We know it isn't the KJB, so what is it?

3.) How come you say the Scriptures are "fully authoritative in and of themselves", but then criticise people for believing that the King James Bible is fully authoritative? In fact, you refer to us as a "cult".

4.) You say the Scriptures "rely for their authority upon no church" but then you use the quotes and documents of the so called "church fathers" to determine whether or not parts of the Bible are inspired or not. 

5.) You say "This promise is found throughout the inspired Scriptures." What inspired Scriptures have you read? What version, document, or manuscript are they found in?

But James White does not believe the Bible is wholly authoritative, he does not believe in any Bible in any language.

--Eli Caldwell

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James White's works salvation heresy

James White, author of The King James Only Controversy, is promoting works salvation on his statement of faith. Of course, he would never admit to this (nobody does), but it is clear from reading his statement that he believes good works are "necessary" to stay saved.

"We believe that God, in His sovereign grace and mercy, regenerates sinful men by the power of the Holy Spirit, not by any action of their own, bringing them to new life. God grants to them the gifts of faith and repentance, which they then exercise by believing in Christ and turning from their sins in love for God. As a result of this faith, based upon the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, God justifies or makes righteous the one who believes. God’s gift of faith, and the continuing work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the elect, results in good works. These good works flow from true, saving faith; they are a necessary result of faith, but are not to be considered necessary to the gaining of justification, which is by God’s grace through faith alone, so that no man can boast."
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/statement-of-faith/

Notice in his statement that he says "These good works flow from true, saving faith; they are a necessary result of faith". What if a new believer does not produce the good works? According to James White the new believer would not remain saved, or never was saved, since these good works are "necessary". James White is promoting the classic heresy that if someone has faith, then they will always have works. So when a believer does not have good works, James White will say that they do not have faith. This is common among Calvinists, often times they judge someones salvation on their works rather than what they believe. In the Bible there are many examples of new believers that did not have good works and they continued in bad works until the day they died (1 Cor. 11:30-32). Paul said that if the man at Corinth continued in fornication, Satan would destroy his flesh but the man's spirit would still be saved! (1 Cor. 5:5)

Also notice that James White says ""

When someone believes on Christ by their own freewill, he/she is not going to magically quit drinking, smoking, cussing, etc. God does not turn saved people into puppets that He takes control of and keeps them from sinning. In fact, aside from the conscience that God has given everyone, He does not give believers special feelings that keep them from desiring to sin. What determines if a new believer will do good works or stay the same is based on whether or not he/she starts studying the Bible. If a new convert starts reading the Bible, he is likely to do good works. If he does not read the Bible, he is more than likely going to sin just as much as ever. Practical sanctification comes from the receiving of the word of God in your heart after salvation....

Psalms 119:
[1] Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
[2] Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
[3] They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
[4] Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
[5] O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
[6] Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
[7] I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
[8] I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
[9] Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
[10] With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
[11] Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Romans 7:7 "...Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

2 Timothy 3:
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Ephesians 5:
[25] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[26] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[27] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

--Eli Caldwell
    
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